Retirement Age in the Honorverse

cthia wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:saber964:
Well how do you tunnel out of Alcatraz Maximum Security Orbital Penitentiary in the Gorgon Asteroid Belt.

Obviously you tunnel down to the black hole/wormhole at the center of the Asteroid and jump to a different dimension to bedevil Bahzell and friends.

I was under the impression that all prisons weren't orbital Alcatrazes.

Of course not. I addressed the specific case saber964 asked about.

cthia wrote:

Weird Harold wrote:saber964:
Well how do you tunnel out of Alcatraz Maximum Security Orbital Penitentiary in the Gorgon Asteroid Belt.

Obviously you tunnel down to the black hole/wormhole at the center of the Asteroid and jump to a different dimension to bedevil Bahzell and friends.

I was under the impression that all prisons weren't orbital Alcatrazes.

Weird Harold wrote:Of course not. I addressed the specific case saber964 asked about.

Sorry, I thought it obvious that I was addressing saber as well.

saber964 wrote:

cthia wrote:If prolong existed in the here and now, there would be many screaming Americans claiming that a prison sentence of life without parole is way too cruel. I say it'd finally begin to be just enough time to really think about and come to grips with what they've done.

IOW, retiring someone to prison for the remainder of their 300+ years at, say, 25 would be totally inhumane.

Any crime serious enough to get a life plus forever or life without parole sentence is probably serious enough to get the death penalty and in the Honorverse it seems like there no pussyfooting around with endless appeals. It your sentenced to death and within a few days or at most a few months you are facing execution. In the RMN you get caught slaving or piracy it's out the airlock within hours of conviction.

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The Death penalty was outlawed on Erewhon; life without parole was used in its stead. For particularly harsh sentences, solitary confinement was used as well, in small cells with no windows and very little exercise; sentences sometimes included sensory deprivation.

For 250+ years? PLEASE! SOMEBODY FIND ME A DOCTOR WITH THE LAST NAME KEVORKIAN!

If someone did something that was really bad enough to warrant until end of life incarceration, give them the opportunity to end their own life by providing a med kit with the wherewithal to do the deed when they have had enough.

George J. Smith wrote:If someone did something that was really bad enough to warrant until end of life incarceration, give them the opportunity to end their own life by providing a med kit with the wherewithal to do the deed when they have had enough.

Allowing assistance to someone who chooses to commit suicide may be its own act of immorality. See the Kevorkian personality I linked to a click upstream.

On Erewhon, it probably goes more like the era of the roaring 20's and the Tommy Gun, "You're not gonna take me alive, Coppers! Say hello to my little friend."

Die by copacide.

cthia wrote:

George J. Smith wrote:If someone did something that was really bad enough to warrant until end of life incarceration, give them the opportunity to end their own life by providing a med kit with the wherewithal to do the deed when they have had enough.

Allowing assistance to someone who chooses to commit suicide may be its own act of immorality. See the Kevorkian personality I linked to a click upstream.

On Erewhon, it probably goes more like the era of the roaring 20's and the Tommy Gun, "You're not gonna take me alive, Coppers! Say hello to my little friend."

Die by copacide.

Now having 1,000+ people killed by police each year.
"Suicide by Cop" has become the convient excuse for police who are far to eager to escalate to deadly. Medical examinerbruling that a death is a suicide rather than justifiable homicide insulates police from civil liability.
It does not matter if a person is suicidal. What matters is if they represented an eminent threat that justified the US deadly force.

kzt wrote:There simply won’t be any lifetime pensions. You can’t be paying people in retirement for 250 years after 30 years of work.

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Why not ?
We pay Senators and Congress Critters a pension after only 4 to 6 years "work"......

-- Stewart

Found this nifty compound interest calculator:


After 100 years of modest savings you could have $2 million retirement fund.

https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/sa ... lator.aspx

["PeterZ"]["saber964"]["cthia"]If prolong existed in the here and now, there would be many screaming Americans claiming that a prison sentence of life without parole is way too cruel. I say it'd finally begin to be just enough time to really think about and come to grips with what they've done.

IOW, retiring someone to prison for the remainder of their 300+ years at, say, 25 would be totally inhumane. [/quote]


Any crime serious enough to get a life plus forever or life without parole sentence is probably serious enough to get the death penalty and in the Honorverse it seems like there no pussyfooting around with endless appeals. It your sentenced to death and within a few days or at most a few months you are facing execution. In the RMN you get caught slaving or piracy it's out the airlock within hours of conviction.[/quote]
The best solution is to re-introduce the equivalent of hard labor. Sentence to be executed on a bare bones colony world with a need for bodies ping work.[/quote]


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(1) That's what HADES was for -- essentially a holding cell (writ large) for work/labor parties

(2) No Death Penalty on Erewhon -- Dark, quiet cell with sensory deprivation -- prisoner does not know where or when he/she is

-- Stewart

stewart wrote:["PeterZ"]["saber964"]["cthia"]If prolong existed in the here and now, there would be many screaming Americans claiming that a prison sentence of life without parole is way too cruel. I say it'd finally begin to be just enough time to really think about and come to grips with what they've done.

IOW, retiring someone to prison for the remainder of their 300+ years at, say, 25 would be totally inhumane.

Any crime serious enough to get a life plus forever or life without parole sentence is probably serious enough to get the death penalty and in the Honorverse it seems like there no pussyfooting around with endless appeals. It your sentenced to death and within a few days or at most a few months you are facing execution. In the RMN you get caught slaving or piracy it's out the airlock within hours of conviction.[/quote]
The best solution is to re-introduce the equivalent of hard labor. Sentence to be executed on a bare bones colony world with a need for bodies ping work.[/quote]


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(1) That's what HADES was for -- essentially a holding cell (writ large) for work/labor parties

(2) No Death Penalty on Erewhon -- Dark, quiet cell with sensory deprivation -- prisoner does not know where or when he/she is

-- Stewart[/quote]

There are many possible solutions. Piaracy seems to always bring a death penalty. Other crimes get punished in different ways depending on the culture. And, yes, really long term punishments are really cruel. But would you let a serial killer out after 100 years knowing he would probably kill again?