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Jonathan_S wrote:Has he gotten MDM pods yet?
As of the battle of Torch he only had (IIRC) single drive, extended range, missiles (Erewhonese derivatives of the RMN's Mk14 CA-weight ERM)

Duckk wrote:

Jonathan_S wrote:Has he gotten MDM pods yet?
As of the battle of Torch he only had (IIRC) single drive, extended range, missiles (Erewhonese derivatives of the RMN's Mk14 CA-weight ERM)

Yes. It was mentioned in ART.

Jonathan_S wrote:Has he gotten MDM pods yet?
As of the battle of Torch he only had (IIRC) single drive, extended range, missiles (Erewhonese derivatives of the RMN's Mk14 CA-weight ERM)

ART Chapter 8 wrote:“Well, new construction’s already more than replaced everything I lost at Congo,” Roszak pointed out. “We’re two and a half T-years into our master building program, too, and the Carlucci Group’s actually a bit ahead of schedule on the wallers. Not a lot—we’re still looking at somewhere around two more T-years before we’ll be able to put the first SD into commission—but the light units will be ready a lot sooner than that. They’re already starting to supply us with all-up multidrive missiles for our arsenal ships as well, and however long the podnoughts are going to take, we should have the first pod battlecruisers in another ten months or so. Call it mid-October for the first units’ builder’s trials. Whatever happens with the Manties, I’m pretty damn sure they’ll last at least that long against anything a thumb-fingered ‘strategist’ like Rajampet can throw at them, if only because of the transit times involved! And, like I say, Kolokoltsov and MacArtney are going to be a lot more occupied with the unrest that’s headed for them out in the open than by our own discreet activities. On that basis, I’d say we’re almost certain to get at least a few squadrons of wallers ready for service before Rajampet decides we’re another nail that needs hammering.”

Jonathan_S wrote:

thinkstoomuch wrote:Why? He currently has "CLs" and ammo ships that in a standard system engagement that would make lunch meat out of them firing 3 stage MDMs. Not to mention the BC(P)s that he is due to get in Oct, IIRC. Or the expected arrival of SD(P)s in the nearish future.

Has he gotten MDM pods yet?
As of the battle of Torch he only had (IIRC) single drive, extended range, missiles (Erewhonese derivatives of the RMN's Mk14 CA-weight ERM)

MAD-4A wrote:Don't even start with that whole "man power" excuse - I see it for Manticore & Grayson, but he has the entire Maya sector to draw from.

MAD-4A wrote:Don't even start with that whole "man power" excuse - I see it for Manticore & Grayson, but he has the entire Maya sector to draw from. He has a full recruitment/training section already up and running which can easily be expanded (as the US did in WWII) he has the need for capitol ships, for when the SLN comes raging in with their Scientist class SDs & as for tipping his hand – that’s what 3rd party purchases are for, he has Erewhon purchase them (a few at a time) then purchases them from Erewhon (at a mark-up) threw a cut-out (the ships just “disappear” like thousands of other ships.) Space is a big area to hide a tiny (even an SD is tiny by comparison) ship in – just ask the Mesan Alignment. He doesn’t even have to fully man them immediately, just get his hands on them and supply a skeleton crew (propulsion and control) to take them to an uninhabited system for storage until he has the personnel for each of them.

MAD-4A wrote:Don't even start with that whole "man power" excuse - I see it for Manticore & Grayson, but he has the entire Maya sector to draw from. He has a full recruitment/training section already up and running which can easily be expanded (as the US did in WWII) he has the need for capitol ships, for when the SLN comes raging in with their Scientist class SDs & as for tipping his hand – that’s what 3rd party purchases are for, he has Erewhon purchase them (a few at a time) then purchases them from Erewhon (at a mark-up) threw a cut-out (the ships just “disappear” like thousands of other ships.) Space is a big area to hide a tiny (even an SD is tiny by comparison) ship in – just ask the Mesan Alignment. He doesn’t even have to fully man them immediately, just get his hands on them and supply a skeleton crew (propulsion and control) to take them to an uninhabited system for storage until he has the personnel for each of them.

Theemile wrote:Why? Barregos is limited on troops and cannot start real trainging of his own until he presses the button on succession - until then he needs to keep his head down. Don't forget, All Roszak had in Maya were 18 DDs and 3 CLs as of the beginning of ToF. He probably has the same # of men in logistics and admin positions, some of which he may be able to redeploy. The plans to purchase more ships locally has probably got him the crews to field 1-2 X the original OOB in the new ships - but this is all he will be getting!

munroburton wrote:

MAD-4A wrote:Don't even start with that whole "man power" excuse - I see it for Manticore & Grayson, but he has the entire Maya sector to draw from. He has a full recruitment/training section already up and running which can easily be expanded (as the US did in WWII) he has the need for capitol ships, for when the SLN comes raging in with their Scientist class SDs & as for tipping his hand – that’s what 3rd party purchases are for, he has Erewhon purchase them (a few at a time) then purchases them from Erewhon (at a mark-up) threw a cut-out (the ships just “disappear” like thousands of other ships.) Space is a big area to hide a tiny (even an SD is tiny by comparison) ship in – just ask the Mesan Alignment. He doesn’t even have to fully man them immediately, just get his hands on them and supply a skeleton crew (propulsion and control) to take them to an uninhabited system for storage until he has the personnel for each of them.

Theemile wrote:Why? Barregos is limited on troops and cannot start real trainging of his own until he presses the button on succession - until then he needs to keep his head down. Don't forget, All Roszak had in Maya were 18 DDs and 3 CLs as of the beginning of ToF. He probably has the same # of men in logistics and admin positions, some of which he may be able to redeploy. The plans to purchase more ships locally has probably got him the crews to field 1-2 X the original OOB in the new ships - but this is all he will be getting!

18 DD = 5,400 crew by SLN standards
3 CL = 1,350

So by Roszak's official order of battle, he's reporting to SLN HQ that he has about 7,000 under his command. Using crew reduction techiques and technology obtained from Manticore via Erewhon, those 18 DD & 3 CL probably had 3,000, leaving about 4,000 free, some of which went aboard their arsenal ships.

The Mayans' recruitment program's target is only a few tens of thousands, as they are building less manpower intensive ships. Worst case, their BC(P)s will need 1,500 each and the wallers(whether they are DNPs or SDPs) 2,000.

Times three squadrons of each, that comes to 84,000, which is enough to man a grand total of 14 Scientist-class SDs.

One other consideration is that Maya hasn't yet forged a national identity to which naval personnel can be expected to pledge their lives, fortune and honor to. That process isn't going to be favourably affected if Barregos and Roszak winds up asking thousands of people to man obsolete ships.

Theemile wrote:Where does it say Maya is actively recruiting currently for it's new armed forces?I don't remember any text nor am I finding it in a quick search of ToF.

Theemile wrote:Where does it say Maya is actively recruiting currently for it's new armed forces?I don't remember any text nor am I finding it in a quick search of ToF.