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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by stewart   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:02 am

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cthia wrote:"stewart"]"cthia"]
I'm trying to determine the baddest of the baddest of the anal orifices that side of the Pecos.

My memory only serves up ...

-Beowulf's Biological Survey Crew (BSC)
-Solarian Gendermerie.
-The Royal Manticoran Marine Corp (RMMC)
-The Grayson Space Marine Corp (GSMC). I simply had to include a Corps with an elite special battalion called the Orbit Dogs.

Did I miss any? And who is the baddest of the lot?



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I would not mention the Solarian Gendermerie in the same breath as BSC / RMMC Grayson Marines.

Solarian Gendermerie might personally be a$$h*le$ but militarily they are incompetent thugs.

The real Solaran Marines (example Thandi prior to Torch) would fit the list.

-- Stewart[/quote]
I respect your attitude towards the Gendermerie, but all the textev I've consumed supports that they are real badasses ...

Cauldron of Ghosts
The training, methods and tactics of Torch’s army units had been shaped by Thandi Palane and were based on those of the Solarian Marines, which were in many respects quite different from those of Beowulf’s military, especially the BSC. Not only that, but the Royal Torch Army was still very much a work in progress, feeling its way towards its own sense of identity and organic traditions.

If Colonel Anderson chose to employ Plan C, it would be Lt. Colonel Kabweza and her soldiers who would carry it out. Plan C had the nickname among her BSC agents of Plan Biggest Hammer Around. If the Torch battalion she commanded shared any of the traditions and attitudes of Solarian Marines—which they were bound to, since both Palane and Kabweza came out of that military force—they would apply ferocious shock tactics in a boarding operation. The Beowulfan military, like that of Manticore, was highly skeptical of the Solarian Navy’s reputation, especially that of Battle Fleet. Not so, however, of the Solarian Marines. Unlike Battle Fleet officers and crews, who could easily go through an entire career without seeing any combat at all, the Marines were a real fighting force.

It was tempting. Slaver crews, no matter how vigilant and well-armed, had no more chance of resisting a full-bore close assault by Torch units trained to Solarian Marine standards than vigilant and toothy mice had of resisting bobcats. There wasn’t even much chance that the cargo would get harmed, so swiftly and savagely would the attack be driven through.

But even if no harm came to the cargo, there was no chance that Torch assault troops would leave any of the crew alive. Their tactics, like those of Solarian Marines, would lean entirely toward eliminate the threat, not taking prisoners.


Of course, much respect should also be given to Torch's fighting force as well who have been trained by Thandi, and ...
Not to mention that the majority of Torch’s assault troops had once been slaves themselves, and somewhere around one-third were former members of the Audubon Ballroom. Their hatred for slavers would be personal and deep. No matter how well disciplined they were, their tendency would always be to give no quarter.

My entire point is to catalogue the baddess of the baddess of the best. Not to champion certain morals, scruples or values. Lacking these may emphasize the point of the discussion. Baddess of the anal orifices. Someone to be feared. Not to be called on to help grandma across the street or to retrieve Dicey out of a tree.[/quote]


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My only comment was that the Gendermerie did not belong with the others in the group. The SLN Marines DO belong there.

The Gendermerie are at best armed thugs.

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by stewart   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:06 am

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cthia wrote:Cauldron of Ghosts
Still, there was some chance. All it would take would be for one of the slaver ship’s officers on the bridge to trigger the slave evacuation procedures. The cargo would be forced out of their compartments by poison gas and expelled into vacuum. There would be no logic to doing so, since under the circumstances there was no way the slaver crew could pretend they hadn’t been carrying slaves. Some of the corpses would even be drifting in sight of the Station. But the slavers might figure that they were doomed anyway—not without some reason, being honest—and choose to commit an act of mass murder as a twisted form of reprisal. God knew the slave trade attracted enough sadists and sociopaths! Indeed, one might say that those were two of the trade’s more essential qualities.

We've gone through this before, for that I apologize. And I've been admonished by the great MWW himself. But either I'm a glutton for punishment, or the very thought of this is worse than treecat claws run up my bum. Every single time I come across it! It is all too easy for me to project myself in amongst the slaves - hungry, starved, questionable health, frightened, half-to-naked and ever fearing of being AIRLOCKED!

It forever brings me to tears!!!

I still maintain, that the universe's policy, signed and adopted by all decent, humanitarian and civilized systems, should be to execute BY AN AMUSEMENT RIDE OUT THE AIRLOCK, ANY and ALL slavers IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT WASTE 200M CREDITS TRANSPORTING THEM TO THEIR RESPECTIVE CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS.

An effective deterrent has to be a motivating deterrent. DEATH ON FIRST CAPTURE. IS VERY MOTIVATING!

end rant. still fuming.


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Being a descendent of the Kansas Brown's (John and company), I can only say Ooh Rah !

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:45 pm

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I'm reading Cauldron now, rather toughing it through. The slavery subject matter hits me too hard.

What I wonder, knowing what little I know of the Audubon Ballroom, is why they don't go after those entities that free their slaves, and not just the freed slaves themselves. Such as in Cauldron, the BSC is liberating a ship-load of slaves. Seems that the Ballroom would take personal offense and launch an operation against the BSC. And not just at entire governments. Why wouldn't that happen?

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by kzt   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:55 pm

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That makes no sense to me. Can you explain what you think the Ballroom is all about?
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:01 pm

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kzt wrote:That makes no sense to me. Can you explain what you think the Ballroom is all about?

I don't know what they are about. Is why I asked. I still have several books to read. Note my "what little I know of the Ballroom," statement.

I thought they went after escaped slaves. Seemed they'd go after those who freed their slaves as well.

Do forgive my ignorance. Most of my friends do. :lol:

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Vince   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:02 pm

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cthia wrote:I'm reading Cauldron now, rather toughing it through. The slavery subject matter hits me too hard.

What I wonder, knowing what little I know of the Audubon Ballroom, is why they don't go after those entities that free their slaves, and not just the freed slaves themselves. Such as in Cauldron, the BSC is liberating a ship-load of slaves. Seems that the Ballroom would take personal offense and launch an operation against the BSC. And not just at entire governments. Why wouldn't that happen?

As kzt said, what you are saying about the Ballroom is confusing.

Have you read the novels Crown of Slaves and Torch of Freedom?* Also the short story Let's Dance in the In Fire Forged anthology? The Ballroom (along with Victor Cachat) made its first appearance in the short story From the Highlands in the Changer of Worlds anthology.

* Those novels, in order, along with Cauldron of Ghosts as the last novel, make up the Crown of Slaves trilogy in the Honorverse. I recommend reading From the Highlands, followed by Fanatic in The Service of the Sword anthology before reading Crown of Slaves.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:09 pm

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Vince wrote:
cthia wrote:I'm reading Cauldron now, rather toughing it through. The slavery subject matter hits me too hard.

What I wonder, knowing what little I know of the Audubon Ballroom, is why they don't go after those entities that free their slaves, and not just the freed slaves themselves. Such as in Cauldron, the BSC is liberating a ship-load of slaves. Seems that the Ballroom would take personal offense and launch an operation against the BSC. And not just at entire governments. Why wouldn't that happen?

As kzt said, what you are saying about the Ballroom is confusing.

Have you read the novels Crown of Slaves and Torch of Freedom?* Also the short story Let's Dance in the In Fire Forged anthology?

* Those novels, in order, along with Cauldron of Ghosts as the last novel, make up the Crown of Slaves trilogy in the Honorverse,

I'm reading Cauldron now. I have not read any of the others you've mentioned. My apologies again. I'm fairly new to the Honorverse and not much leisure time to read leisure stuff. I'm trying to rectify that now, with Cauldron and then the others. Even the main novels I've only read once, mostly. Except for OBS. My favorite.

I don't have copious amounts of time on my hands. I'm in the lab now. Posting while working.

Edit:
And I didn't even find out about many of the side reads until less than six months ago. By all of you. I ordered them all, in mass. For friends and family too. But getting them is just half my battle. Getting time to actually read them? Well ...

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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by Vince   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:12 pm

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cthia wrote:I'm reading Cauldron now. I have not read any of the others you've mentioned. My apologies again. I'm fairly new to the Honorverse and not much leisure time to read leisure stuff. I'm trying to rectify that now, with Cauldron and then the others. Even the main novels I've only read once, mostly. Except for OBS. My favorite.

I don't have copious amounts of time on my hands. I'm in the lab now. Posting while working.

If that is the case, please see my previous [edited] post for recommended reading order.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by kzt   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:29 pm

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Ok, the Ballroom is pretty much an organization made up (mostly) of escaped Manpower slaves whose objective is to destroy Manpower, liberate slaves and end slavery. They are famed for using terrorists tactics to accomplish this, including bombings and other similar indiscriminate approaches, but generally prefer to use very precisely targeted approaches.

Think IRA, and Gerry Adams as Honor's uncle.
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Re: Honorverse ramblings and musings
Post by crewdude48   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:36 pm

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My advice, Cthia, is to put down Cauldron, and read the other books before starting it again. The Honorverse is best read in publication order, otherwise it doesn't make all that much sense.

Proper reading order should be:
1. On Basilisk Station (Apr 92)
2. Honor of the Queen (June 93)
3. The Short Victorious War (Apr 94)
4. Field of Dishonor (Dec 94)
5. Flag In Exile (Sep 95)
6. Honor Among Enemies (Feb 96)
7. In Enemy Hands (Jul 97)
8. More Than Honor (Jan 98)(Anthology)
9. Echoes of Honor (Oct 98)
10. World of Honor (Feb 99)(Anthology)
11. Ashes of Victory (Mar 00)
12. Changer of Worlds (Mar 01)(Anthology)
13. War of Honor (Oct 02)
14. The Service of the Sword (Apr 03)(Anthology)
15. Crown of Slaves (Sep03)
16. The Shadow of Saganami (Oct 04)
17. At All Costs (Nov 05)
18. Storm from the Shadows (Mar 09)
19. Torch of Freedom (Nov 09)
20. Mission of Honor (June 10)
21. In Fire Forged (Feb 11) (Anthology)
22. A Rising Thunder (Mar 12)
23. Shadow of Freedom (Mar 13)
24. House of Steel (May 13) (Compendium)
25. Beginnings (July 13) (Anthology)
26. Cauldron of Ghosts (Apr 14)
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