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Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationships
Post by roseandheather   » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:01 pm

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In honor of a holiday relatively recently past, let's talk about love! And I'm not just talking about the romantic sort, here. From Honor Harrington and Michelle Henke's legendary friendship to the love affair that redefined a nation, the backbone of the Honorverse has, to me, always been love. Love of family, love of nation, love of duty - it's the driving force, really.

We saw two women who thought they'd lost each other forever see each other rise from the dead - and discovered that sometimes you don't need words to see how much they do love each other.

We saw two dear friends, forged in fire, become the pillars of a nation reborn from the ashes - and find strength in each other when they couldn't even find it in themselves.

We saw undying devotion from one man who'd initially resented his Captain, and later found that he never wanted to follow anyone else.

We saw Beauty and the Beast shape each other over twenty long, hard-fought years, and complement each other better than they ever thought possible.

We discovered what it means to be a Grayson armsman - the true price, and the true gift, of the definition of undying loyalty.

Benjamin Mayhew and Honor Harrington. Eloise Pritchart and Javier Giscard. Victor Cachat and Anton Zilwicki. Thomas Theisman and Honor Harrington. Michelle Henke and Elizabeth Winton. Bernard Yanakov and Raoul Courvoisier. One way or another, these relationships - and dozens of others - shaped the future of a galaxy.

So - which love affairs, platonic or romantic, are closest to your heart?

Come on, folks. Let's talk about love. :mrgreen:
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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by SharkHunter   » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:40 pm

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You already named the defining relationship for me:

Andrew Lafollet and Honor Harrington.

"Greater Love hath no man...."
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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:02 pm

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I'd say Beauty and the Beast for certain. When Tremaine found out that Harkness' defection was simply a ploy, he could have kissed him!

Also, the love of treecats for their persons and bonded mates. They give new meaning to "I would die for you," and "kill for you too."

And the love that Justin has for Elizabeth and all of her emotions he witnesses first hand. He gave up a career as a scientist for her.

Cathy and Anton! True soulmates.

And what love must Grayson wives have for their husbands, being relegated to a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday ... girl.


And last, but not least, the love that a crew and captain have for their ship. Was CL Fearless the most loved ship in the Honorverse?

As she assumed her position escorted by D'Orville and Home Fleet, with her adoration lit up in lights as they escorted her wounded soul back home.

Just tugging(npi) at my heartstrings!

There should be a wall somewhere as a Naval museum with special ship's names representing the men and women who died trusting, loving and fighting her. A long wall that would be. The Great Wall of Manticore.

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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:11 pm

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Ooh Ooh. We can't leave out the undisputed love that the Youngs have ... for themselves.

I suppose Dmitri really did love his sons. As only a parent could love those jackasses.

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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by JeffEngel   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:13 pm

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cthia wrote:And what love must Grayson wives have for their husbands, being relegated to a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday ... girl.

For what it is worth, they haven't got an expectation of having a one to one match with a man. The expectation is to have one husband and one to three fellow wives. I've no idea what the sleeping arrangements, or sexual ones, are in any case (and absolutely no need to!), but when it's what everyone else in their culture has, what they grew up in, and regard as normal, it's no big thing.

And, looked at another way, if they can't much stand their husband, at least they get to share out the attention.

Flipping perspectives a bit, a Grayson family can be viewed as a bunch of women who select some man to handle the public affairs of the household, which are largely about keeping other men out of their hair.
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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:17 pm

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And Houseman's love for his own intelligence. Unflappable love.

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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:18 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
cthia wrote:And what love must Grayson wives have for their husbands, being relegated to a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday ... girl.

For what it is worth, they haven't got an expectation of having a one to one match with a man. The expectation is to have one husband and one to three fellow wives. I've no idea what the sleeping arrangements, or sexual ones, are in any case (and absolutely no need to!), but when it's what everyone else in their culture has, what they grew up in, and regard as normal, it's no big thing.

And, looked at another way, if they can't much stand their husband, at least they get to share out the attention.

Flipping perspectives a bit, a Grayson family can be viewed as a bunch of women who select some man to handle the public affairs of the household, which are largely about keeping other men out of their hair.

:lol: I like your perspective!

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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:22 pm

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One of the greatest loves, is the love that Eloise Pritchart has for her Republic and the matching love that Elizabeth Winton has for her Kingdom. Those two loves brought together made a big GA baby.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by cthia   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:30 pm

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What gets me every single time, is the love that an armsman has for their charge.

In particular, Andrew La Follet had a heart wrenching love for Miss Harrington. An armsman forsakes everything and everyone to follow his charge into the jaws of hell. As a result, I shed tears every time Andrew had a chance to reunite with Miranda. That brother and sister duo was just (damn, I need some tissue.)

It is especially sad that both, sister and brother, died.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Let's Talk About Love: the 'verse's defining relationshi
Post by roseandheather   » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:40 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
cthia wrote:And what love must Grayson wives have for their husbands, being relegated to a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday ... girl.

For what it is worth, they haven't got an expectation of having a one to one match with a man. The expectation is to have one husband and one to three fellow wives. I've no idea what the sleeping arrangements, or sexual ones, are in any case (and absolutely no need to!), but when it's what everyone else in their culture has, what they grew up in, and regard as normal, it's no big thing.

And, looked at another way, if they can't much stand their husband, at least they get to share out the attention.

Flipping perspectives a bit, a Grayson family can be viewed as a bunch of women who select some man to handle the public affairs of the household, which are largely about keeping other men out of their hair.


I support this philosophy with every fiber of my being.

I've always said that my heart is Haven's, but my soul is forever Grayson's. I think I'd be perfectly okay with that sort of arrangement, in the context of the culture and religion which created it.

I also think, cthia, that you underestimate the wives' affection for each other -- implications of socially acceptable female bisexuality and the resulting sleeping arrangements aside, I can only imagine that it would do some people (myself included!) quite a bit of good to have someone to share the responsibility and day-to-day life of running a Grayson household. Just look at Katherine and Elaine if you don't believe me!
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"You'll remember me when the west wind moves upon the fields of barley..."
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