HMS Duke of Cromarty

saber964 wrote:Minor unit HMS Emparoter (sic) is Honor's flagship IIRC Invictus was destroyed at the Battle of Manticore where it was Home Fleet flagship.

SharkHunter wrote:One of the capabilities NOT listed for the current HMS Duke of Cromarty is a Marine contingent, though they would obviously have boarding and military arms for the King's Own.

Would the King's own also include Battle Armor, etc. or would they have perhaps a couple of companies of specially designated RMN marines embarked? similar to how the Secret Service guards the President but the Marine Corp flies the copters and protects Camp David, etc.

stewart wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:One of the capabilities NOT listed for the current HMS Duke of Cromarty is a Marine contingent, though they would obviously have boarding and military arms for the King's Own.

Would the King's own also include Battle Armor, etc. or would they have perhaps a couple of companies of specially designated RMN marines embarked? similar to how the Secret Service guards the President but the Marine Corp flies the copters and protects Camp David, etc.

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IIRC, Queens Own are drawn from all Manticoran armed services.

-- Stewart

SharkHunter wrote:Very true, but the analogy I am thinking of is how the Secret Service are going to be absolutely lethal in terms of general civilian and light military protection, but they don't maintain the heavy units (bradley(s), tanks, jump jets, 'copters, etc. If a medium to large enemy military tried to capture the President, for example, there'd be a whole lot of dead enemy and Secret Service agents within a short period of time, but the heavy armor, copters, jets, and other force multipliers would be there in a jiffy for ultimate force projection. Seems likely that the HMS Duke of Cromarty would likely have both types of protection.

SharkHunter wrote:Very true, but the analogy I am thinking of is how the Secret Service are going to be absolutely lethal in terms of general civilian and light military protection, but they don't maintain the heavy units (bradley(s), tanks, jump jets, 'copters, etc. If a medium to large enemy military tried to capture the President, for example, there'd be a whole lot of dead enemy and Secret Service agents within a short period of time, but the heavy armor, copters, jets, and other force multipliers would be there in a jiffy for ultimate force projection. Seems likely that the HMS Duke of Cromarty would likely have both types of protection.

SWM wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:Very true, but the analogy I am thinking of is how the Secret Service are going to be absolutely lethal in terms of general civilian and light military protection, but they don't maintain the heavy units (bradley(s), tanks, jump jets, 'copters, etc. If a medium to large enemy military tried to capture the President, for example, there'd be a whole lot of dead enemy and Secret Service agents within a short period of time, but the heavy armor, copters, jets, and other force multipliers would be there in a jiffy for ultimate force projection. Seems likely that the HMS Duke of Cromarty would likely have both types of protection.

But we know that the Queen's Own mans sting ships as well as personal guards. So the analogy to the Secret Service obviously doesn't apply. The Queen's Own recruits people from the Marines as well as the other services. It is likely that they deliberately recruit from both heavy weapons divisions and light weapons divisions, and equip them appropriately.

House of Steel, The Royal Manticore Army wrote:Queen’s Own
The Queen’s Own exists in order to provide physical security to the sovereign and to members of the royal family, and to provide area security for Mount Royal Palace and for other royal residences. More than mere bodyguards, the Queen’s Own also has responsibility for certain support functions, such as intelligence, associated with protection of the Royal Family. While operationally part of the Army, the Queen’s Own dates back to 1489 PD with the Coronation of King Roger I. Recognizing the need for a protective detail for the Monarch, given the influx of new colonists, the Manticore and Sphinx Planetary Guards each “donated” a company and a half of their troops to form the core of a battalion. Gryphon followed suit after its population reached a level to support its own Planetary Guard. The unit has grown in strength since then, and had already reached regimental size by the time it was merged with the Army in 1665 PD.
The Queen’s Own (formally known as the Monarch’s Own Regiment) is generally regarded as the elite of the Army, but its ranks are also open to Marines, and even the occasional naval officer. Before being accepted for service in the Queen’s Own, an individual must first prove himself or herself thoroughly in one of the combat arms.
The Queen’s Own consists of four “battalions,” one for each of the three original planets of the Star Kingdom plus a “training battalion,” which both trains new recruits and provides opposition forces for training at the Army’s premier combat training facilities. The Queen’s Own’s battalions do not normally detach their “recruiting” or depot company. This means that, technically, the Queen’s Own’s official strength is 2,940 troops. In fact, it is usually somewhat understrength because of the high standards its personnel must meet. Like the Army itself, the Queen’s Own contains its own atmospheric component of stingships and heavy transports. Most of its personnel, even on security detail for the Monarch herself, are normally configured as light infantry, but each battalion has its own integral heavy weapons company, and powered armor is available to it.
The Queen’s Own is expected to contribute forces to frontline combat if the Star Kingdom is at war. This usually takes the form of deploying one of its three planet battalions to the active theater, leaving the other two planet battalions to hold down the Regiment’s normal peacetime duties. Those duties include the personal security of the sovereign and members of the royal family, security at Mount Royal Palace and other royal residences, and intelligence functions related to the preceding two duties.
In addition to all of the above, the Queen’s Own is the Army’s premier ceremonial unit, as it has been a part of the Star Kingdom’s military traditions dating back to the founding of the Star Kingdom itself.

House of Steel wrote: The Queen’s Own consists of four “battalions,” one for each of the three original planets of the Star Kingdom plus a “training battalion,” which both trains new recruits and provides opposition forces for training at the Army’s premier combat training facilities. The Queen’s Own’s battalions do not normally detach their “recruiting” or depot company. This means that, technically, the Queen’s Own’s official strength is 2,940 troops. In fact, it is usually somewhat understrength because of the high standards its personnel must meet. Like the Army itself, the Queen’s Own contains its own atmospheric component of stingships and heavy transports. Most of its personnel, even on security detail for the Monarch herself, are normally configured as light infantry, but each battalion has its own integral heavy weapons company, and powered armor is available to it...

SharkHunter wrote:The textev about the ability to deploy off planet almost definitely means that an amount of that battle armor, heavy transport, etc. are permanently attached to the HMS Duke of Cromarty. Bottom line is that nobody messes with the House of Winston without getting severely dead, right?

kzt wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:The textev about the ability to deploy off planet almost definitely means that an amount of that battle armor, heavy transport, etc. are permanently attached to the HMS Duke of Cromarty. Bottom line is that nobody messes with the House of Winston without getting severely dead, right?

No, it means it is available and attached t oteh unit. BCs are not designed to transport masses of AFVs, or any AFVs for that matter. You can't get things that large out of the boats in the boat bay.