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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:01 pm

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John Prigent wrote:I sometimes wonder if certain people make this kind of post simply to bump up their posting totals and gain promotions (no, not you Duckk!). I'll stick to only posting when I have something useful to say, even if I never get to Captain of the List.
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I was still thinking that this new modern tech if applied to the GL might decrease it's size Beta Squared nodes increase it's power and the old four x four barrel carb idea to mini fusion power a grav Lance torpedo might work.

No, is is just that there are individuals who are incapable of following Nahrman Baytz advice (see Safehold series).
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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by jgnfld   » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:45 pm

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I know! I know! WHAT ABOUT GRAV LANCE STEALTHED MINES!!!!!

They would work now that we have all that power in the minifusion plants!!! All you'd have to do is lay them in the path of the enemy and wait for them to pass by. The enemy'd NEVER SEE THEM COMING and THEY WOULD WORK ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME!!!
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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by crewdude48   » Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:48 pm

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jgnfld wrote:I know! I know! WHAT ABOUT GRAV LANCE STEALTHED MINES!!!!!

They would work. All you'd have to do is lay them in the path of the enemy and wait for them to pass by. The enemy'd NEVER SEE IT COMING and THEY WOULD WORK ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME!!!


Yah!!! And mines the size of a destroyer are a great idea!! :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by stewart   » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:59 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
Lord Skimper wrote:We know a bit about this wondrous and often totally useless weapon but there are something we just don't know.

For instance we know a Grav Lance can drop a wedge.

We know it has an impossibly short range and is often paired with Energy torpedo's and is very hard to use, more than once.

That once time it does work fantastic.

so Questions:

Can a grav lance be used in Hyper Space? What would happen?

Is the grav lance the modern Anti LAC weapon when combined with Energy Torpedo" The Modern Shrike will close to its short Graser range and attack from behind its very strong wedge and side walls & bucklers. Seems a grav lance would remove the wedge and sidewalls / bucklers and the energy torpedo's at that range would wreak havoc upon the LACs.


One would think that Modern Manty EW would allow a ship large enough to use a Grav Lance to get close enough to use it. Seem's the enemy can't stop a single missile. Perhaps the dragon teeth could make multiple ship targets rather than just false missile signatures. A Roland is more than large enough to carry a Grav lance. Could even maintain some of or all off its missile load.

Grav Lance on peace time Patrol vessels. A Kammerling could destroy any freighter but with a grav lance it could also disable any freighter and take the ship with its on board troops. Without damaging the ship or its cargo.

I always wondered why the Slaver Freighters surrender, I mean they are full of Slaves that the attacker/rescuer don't want to get hurt, they just keep running you fire on them you risk killing the slaves they carry. It always seems like the surrendering slave ship is the stupid slave ship. All they have to do is keep running. Impose their wedge on any shuttle and either make you blow them up or let them go. The grav lance solves all of this.

As for why the slavers don't wait till they are boarded then blow the ship up, it isn't like they are going to live through the "rescue" always seems like an odd thing.

For one thing the range on the LACs grasers is about 250,000km, and the grav lance has a maximum range of 100,000 km, so unless the LAC is crewed by a complete set of idiots, you will never get your grav lance into range before the graser guts you like a gaffed shark. Again, a misconception that can be cured by re-reading the books with one's eyes open.



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Also from OBS we know that TWTSNBN cannot be mounted on anything smaller than a CL, and as with CL-56 Fearless, it gutted all other weapons.

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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by kenl511   » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:39 pm

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I move that the next person to raise the issue of Gravity Lances be tendered to a tree cat clan for use as a scratching pole.....
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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by phillies   » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:11 pm

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jgnfld wrote:I know! I know! WHAT ABOUT GRAV LANCE STEALTHED MINES!!!!!

They would work now that we have all that power in the minifusion plants!!! All you'd have to do is lay them in the path of the enemy and wait for them to pass by. The enemy'd NEVER SEE THEM COMING and THEY WOULD WORK ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME!!!


It will never compete with the carnivorous ultradreadnought.
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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by stewart   » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:46 am

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jgnfld wrote:I know! I know! WHAT ABOUT GRAV LANCE STEALTHED MINES!!!!!

They would work now that we have all that power in the minifusion plants!!! All you'd have to do is lay them in the path of the enemy and wait for them to pass by. The enemy'd NEVER SEE THEM COMING and THEY WOULD WORK ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME!!!



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(with tongue placed firmly in cheek)
1) Nothing works 100% of the time :o :shock:

2) the energy signature of any sensor would betray them LONG before they could employ TWTSNBN

3) even inert metal the size of a CL would likely be detected by any non-SLN warship. A SLN FF CA or above would likely detect it, if BF it would depend on individual training and alert status

4) the above said, the only likely victim is a SL Merchie.
Not worth the development effort.

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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by SharkHunter   » Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:40 am

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CaN I PlaY? :twisted:

I have an idea that is guaranteed to work, plus these things can jump across the hyper wall before executing their final attack manuevers. Manned Stealthed Grav Lance Mines. You can use a smaller crew than a DD, and call it a.... hmmmm.

How about a frigate? yeah, that'll work. Get'em up to 1/4 graser range undetected and I can guarantee... something.*

Oh, never mind. ;)

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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by n7axw   » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:13 am

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SharkHunter wrote:CaN I PlaY? :twisted:

I have an idea that is guaranteed to work, plus these things can jump across the hyper wall before executing their final attack manuevers. Manned Stealthed Grav Lance Mines. You can use a smaller crew than a DD, and call it a.... hmmmm.

How about a frigate? yeah, that'll work. Get'em up to 1/4 graser range undetected and I can guarantee... something.*

Oh, never mind. ;)

*My inner smart-arse just got loose for a moment (ducking a further bazooka shot...)


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Re: Grav Lance Questions
Post by SWM   » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:33 am

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SharkHunter wrote:CaN I PlaY? :twisted:

I have an idea that is guaranteed to work, plus these things can jump across the hyper wall before executing their final attack manuevers. Manned Stealthed Grav Lance Mines. You can use a smaller crew than a DD, and call it a.... hmmmm.

How about a frigate? yeah, that'll work. Get'em up to 1/4 graser range undetected and I can guarantee... something.*

Oh, never mind. ;)

*My inner smart-arse just got loose for a moment (ducking a further bazooka shot...)

You forgot to have it manned by Medusans, with treecats providing targeting locks based on long-range empathy to avoid active sensors. :lol:
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