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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:32 pm

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crewdude48 wrote:
fallsfromtrees wrote:The point is that Honor's old seat - the Earldom had already been passed to Honor's cousin Devon. Her Duchy was a new one, and by textev, the constitution does not new Lords to be seated until after a general election. So how did Honor skate past this constitutional requirement? Note that this is not an option of the House of Lords - they can vote to exclude a member for sufficient reason, but that isn't the case here. They can't even vote to exclude the new Lords (from San Martin, e.g.) until after a new election, and the attempt to do so at that time would have triggered a major constitutional crisis. The High Ridge government was working around the constitutional requirement for a general election at least every 5 years by using the state of emergency declared at the start of the First Haven War. The state of emergency allows the delay of elections until the state of emergency is over. No general election, no new Lords.


I think that the "after the next general election" thing was specific to the SM lords.

Okay. Then, given the weakness of the Centrist position in the Lords, had Elizabeth not been packing the Lords with new appointees. Surely there had been enough people who had distinguished themselves during the war for her to have stacked 15-20 known Centrists into the Lords, which would have made the situation there much more secure.
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by crewdude48   » Wed Dec 31, 2014 5:55 pm

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http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/44/1
It was written a dozen years ago, but it is spicificly about the time period in question.
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by roseandheather   » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:16 pm

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crewdude48 wrote:http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/entry/Harrington/44/1
It was written a dozen years ago, but it is spicificly about the time period in question.


Thank you!!!

Now maybe we can put all this ridiculousness to bed with a missile barrage.
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by lyonheart   » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:04 pm

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Hi JeffEngel,

We'll have to agree to disagree on a couple of points.

Given the evident cowards of Eloise's opposition, I don't think it'd be too hard to get them to agree to a "play it safe" strategy of seeking terms while we're still ahead, as opposed to risking it all and possibly losing everything we've got.

Where were they when 8th Fleet entered the Haven system, changing their shorts?

Regarding Elisabeth and Eloise, RFC has posted several times that neither is as guilty as their proponents make the other out to be.

One of the reasons their first meeting works so well is that both recognise how their own decisions made things worse, so they are open to new better decisions.


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SNIPPED 4 BREVITY [aren't you glad?]

Size limits on AAC required RFC to cut some of the background explaining why Eloise was trusted to keep her word by neutrals etc, which along with other books' deleted sections I'd like to read in some future anthology or collection.

Suggested titles might include "Info Dumps Deleted Only For Space Reasons". ;)

Feel free to suggest even better ones. :D

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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by Zakharra   » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:52 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
Hint, hint.

Size limits on AAC required RFC to cut some of the background explaining why Eloise was trusted to keep her word by neutrals etc, which along with other books' deleted sections I'd like to read in some future anthology or collection.

Suggested titles might include "Info Dumps Deleted Only For Space Reasons". ;)

Feel free to suggest even better ones. :D

L

"Everything You Wanted to Know About the Honorverse That the Publishers Were Afraid To Print"[/quote]


The 'Silmarillion' of the Honorverse. MWW could probably write a five book set with 500 pages each and still not have set everything down that we fans want to know. :lol:
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by roseandheather   » Wed Dec 31, 2014 11:43 pm

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Zakharra wrote:
JeffEngel wrote:
Hint, hint.

Size limits on AAC required RFC to cut some of the background explaining why Eloise was trusted to keep her word by neutrals etc, which along with other books' deleted sections I'd like to read in some future anthology or collection.

Suggested titles might include "Info Dumps Deleted Only For Space Reasons". ;)

Feel free to suggest even better ones. :D

L


"Everything You Wanted to Know About the Honorverse That the Publishers Were Afraid To Print"



The 'Silmarillion' of the Honorverse. MWW could probably write a five book set with 500 pages each and still not have set everything down that we fans want to know. :lol:


MWW could write a five-book set at 500 pages each and still not have set everything down about the Republic of Haven that I want to know.

This does not include the complete biographies of Thomas Theisman, Eloise Pritchart, Shannon Foraker, and Lester Tourville, which I also want. Plus another book dedicated to the minor characters like Sabrina Longmont, Leslie Montreau, Rachel Hanriot, etc. And of course the complete story of how Eloise and Javier fell in love - though I suppose that might be adequately covered in Eloise's biography.

Repeat most of the above for the Protectorate of Grayson, replacing Eloise, Tom, Shannon, and Lester with Benjamin, Katherine, Elaine, Abigail, Rachel, Judah, and Wesley. Love story to be included this time the one covering how Abigail fell in love with Michael Oversteegen.

:mrgreen: :twisted:
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:54 am

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roseandheather wrote:MWW could write a five-book set at 500 pages each and still not have set everything down about the Republic of Haven that I want to know.

This does not include the complete biographies of Thomas Theisman, Eloise Pritchart, Shannon Foraker, and Lester Tourville, which I also want. Plus another book dedicated to the minor characters like Sabrina Longmont, Leslie Montreau, Rachel Hanriot, etc. And of course the complete story of how Eloise and Javier fell in love - though I suppose that might be adequately covered in Eloise's biography.

Repeat most of the above for the Protectorate of Grayson, replacing Eloise, Tom, Shannon, and Lester with Benjamin, Katherine, Elaine, Abigail, Rachel, Judah, and Wesley. Love story to be included this time the one covering how Abigail fell in love with Michael Oversteegen.

:mrgreen: :twisted:

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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by roseandheather   » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:16 am

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fallsfromtrees wrote:
roseandheather wrote:MWW could write a five-book set at 500 pages each and still not have set everything down about the Republic of Haven that I want to know.

This does not include the complete biographies of Thomas Theisman, Eloise Pritchart, Shannon Foraker, and Lester Tourville, which I also want. Plus another book dedicated to the minor characters like Sabrina Longmont, Leslie Montreau, Rachel Hanriot, etc. And of course the complete story of how Eloise and Javier fell in love - though I suppose that might be adequately covered in Eloise's biography.

Repeat most of the above for the Protectorate of Grayson, replacing Eloise, Tom, Shannon, and Lester with Benjamin, Katherine, Elaine, Abigail, Rachel, Judah, and Wesley. Love story to be included this time the one covering how Abigail fell in love with Michael Oversteegen.

:mrgreen: :twisted:

Greedy individual aren't you?


When it comes to my Republic?

You bet your ass. :twisted:

...butofcourseiwillsettleforwhateverrfcwillgiveme
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:18 am

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roseandheather wrote:
When it comes to my Republic?

You bet your ass. :twisted:

...butofcourseiwillsettleforwhateverrfcwillgiveme

As will we all :mrgreen:
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Re: Thomas Thiesman
Post by JeffEngel   » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:21 am

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lyonheart wrote:Hi JeffEngel,

We'll have to agree to disagree on a couple of points.

Given the evident cowards of Eloise's opposition, I don't think it'd be too hard to get them to agree to a "play it safe" strategy of seeking terms while we're still ahead, as opposed to risking it all and possibly losing everything we've got.

Where were they when 8th Fleet entered the Haven system, changing their shorts?

Oh, some combination of that and wondering how to game the situation for their own benefit. And perhaps some fire-eaters were thinking that the Republic has a lot of systems and if 8th Fleet is here, this would have been a golden time for those hippy peaceniks Pritchart and Theisman to have dropped another few hundreds wallers on Manticore. Part of the problem is that Haven's political snake class is diverse and she needs to defang or tame an array of types at once. Heck, Haven's political mammal classes are diverse and Pritchart manages a de facto coalition of friends, allies, and not-quite-opposition parties. (One thing I'd like to see out of that 500 page opus on the Republic of Haven - maybe their House book will include it - is how the Republic's roughly U.S.-style constitution supports so many political parties effectively.)

Regarding Elisabeth and Eloise, RFC has posted several times that neither is as guilty as their proponents make the other out to be.

One of the reasons their first meeting works so well is that both recognise how their own decisions made things worse, so they are open to new better decisions.

I imagine a figure with a positively saintly patience and an ability to prevent Giancola from reading that as weakness may have avoided taking the bait, and I had a sense reading War of Honor that Theisman may have felt like gently faulted her for responding too heatedly. I just think that, given the circumstances, given what she knew and given what she could effectively communicate, expecting more of Pritchart is simply expecting more than one can ask.

On both sides, you had governments with divided responsibilities and diverse motivations, with relevant information concealed by key parties from other key parties, creating a mess that gets millions killed where only a small fraction of the responsibility can be laid at the feet of surviving politicians. We'd really like someone to hang for it, but the Alignment is altogether too good about cleaning up after itself. (Although I do wonder if the revelation about doctored diplomatic notes doesn't provide almost enough evidence to nail Michael Janvier for treason. You really, really shouldn't be running a government when you need a legal staff on hand to tell you just what does not quite amount to that, all the time....)
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