"Marine Carrier"

crewdude48 wrote:Just count the t's at the end. Talbot the planet was introduced first. Talbott the cluster was introduced second.

TheMonster wrote:

crewdude48 wrote:Just count the t's at the end. Talbot the planet was introduced first. Talbott the cluster was introduced second.

Also, Talbot could be pronounced according to French orthography as "Tal-bow" (rhymes with "glow"), where RADM Pierre died, which helps to remember it's closer to Nouveau Paris.

This confusion is due to DW not being one of those authors who adheres to the "One Steve Limit" trope. He even comments in one of the books about how many planets' capital cities are named "Landing" or "First Landing". That makes sense. How many US states have a "Springfield"?

Of course there's a "Talbot" and a "Talbott". There's probably even a "Talbotte" out there somewhere for good measure.

crewdude48 wrote:

Dafmeister wrote:Talbot (how many t's?) Quadrant.

Just count the t's at the end. Talbot the planet was introduced first. Talbott the cluster was introduced second.

SharkHunter wrote:So if your transport ship can't be attacked, in a circumstance where you needed say, twenty five hundred Marines, a single Atlas class passenger liner would do JUST fine for most operations.

saber964 wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:So if your transport ship can't be attacked, in a circumstance where you needed say, twenty five hundred Marines, a single Atlas class passenger liner would do JUST fine for most operations.

More than that for the Atlas class IIRC RMMS Artemis could carry 5000 passengers plus crew. So if she was converted to a long haul troop transport you could effectively double or triple her troop carrying capacity.

For example look at the RMS Queen Mary she carried 2100 passengers but during WWII as a troopship she could carry an entire infantry division of about 15-16,000 troops.

Vince wrote:

saber964 wrote:
More than that for the Atlas class IIRC RMMS Artemis could carry 5000 passengers plus crew. So if she was converted to a long haul troop transport you could effectively double or triple her troop carrying capacity.

For example look at the RMS Queen Mary she carried 2100 passengers but during WWII as a troopship she could carry an entire infantry division of about 15-16,000 troops.

If the limitation on passenger loads is room, yes. But if the limitation is life support, no.

You can pack troops in like sardines and then tell them to deal with the cramped quarters for a while, but you can't tell them to stop breathing, drinking, eating or using the waste facilities.

Keep in mind that terrestrial troop ships don't have to deal very much with life support on the open oceans. Fresh air (oxygen) is provided by the planet, drinking water is carried (or nowadays, distilled or created using reverse osmosis purification), food is carried for the short time it is needed unlike the Honorverse where rations may be needed for weeks or even months while a ship travels to its destination, and sewage can be discharged.

Honorverse ships have to provide all the life support needed to support the crew and passengers or troops. Vacuum doesn't give you anything in the way of life support.

saber964 wrote:More than that for the Atlas class IIRC RMMS Artemis could carry 5000 passengers plus crew. So if she was converted to a long haul troop transport you could effectively double or triple her troop carrying capacity.

For example look at the RMS Queen Mary she carried 2100 passengers but during WWII as a troopship she could carry an entire infantry division of about 15-16,000 troops.

Vince wrote:If the limitation on passenger loads is room, yes. But if the limitation is life support, no.

You can pack troops in like sardines and then tell them to deal with the cramped quarters for a while, but you can't tell them to stop breathing, drinking, eating or using the waste facilities.

Keep in mind that terrestrial troop ships don't have to deal very much with life support on the open oceans. Fresh air (oxygen) is provided by the planet, drinking water is carried (or nowadays, distilled or created using reverse osmosis purification), food is carried for the short time it is needed unlike the Honorverse where rations may be needed for weeks or even months while a ship travels to its destination, and sewage can be discharged.

Honorverse ships have to provide all the life support needed to support the crew and passengers or troops. Vacuum doesn't give you anything in the way of life support.

Jonathan_S wrote:Totally agree. However I'd guess that as armed passenger carrier the Atlas liners are built with the possibility of battle damage involved. I'd be surprised if they didn't have significant redundancy in their life-support. Probably greater redundancy than even warships routinely have. (So as not to further risk the very expensive lives of their passengers should half (or more) of the life support plant suffer a mischief.

So if pressed into service as a troop transport I'd expect they could handle at least 2 or 3 times the number of troops as they normally handled passengers. Now that's still far short of the ratio the big ocean liners could achieve when converted to troop carriers, but it's still and impressive number of troops.

Echoes of Honor, Chapter wrote:"On a brighter note," she went on, "look at all the personnel lift we get our hands on if we manage to pull this off." She nodded at the data on the five Longstops-class transports the warships would be escorting. "They're providing enough lift for a full seventy thousand slave laborers, assuming Tresca could find that many in so short a time, plus another forty-one thousand technicians and supervisory personnel and twenty-four thousand SS ground troops— and that doesn't even count the additional eight thousand SS support personnel attached to the intervention battalions. That's over a hundred and forty thousand total, and according to the readouts, these ships are actually designed to provide life support for forty thousand people each, exclusive of their own crews, so StateSec is planning on running them light."

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"Looking at the numbers from The Book, you're right, Sir," Fritz Montoya said. Honor had called the doctor in for the meeting expressly to address the life support question, and now he turned to look at all of them. "But the transports were designed around a lot of reserve environmental capacity. We could increase a Longstop's load from forty thousand to about fifty without stretching its life support dangerously. In a pinch, I'd be willing to call it fifty-six or maybe even fifty-seven. I wouldn't want to go much over that unless it was for a very short hop, but the enviro plants should carry the atmospheric load for that many as far as we need. The worst problem will be physical overcrowding, because that many people need a lot of cubage, and the ships' other waste processing systems will be heavily strained. But these are military transports. They're also designed to carry heavy combat equipment, and we could probably beef up the reclamation equipment by cannibalizing all the shuttles and pinnaces sitting here on Styx and adding their enviro plants as strap-on backups in their cargo spaces. It wouldn't be pretty or elegant, but there ought to be enough air to go around when we finish."
"I hadn't thought about the shuttles, Fritz," McKeon admitted, and pursed his lips with a faraway look.
"You're right about the Longstops" he went on. "They're way too slow to be used as anything we'd consider a true assault transport, but they are configured to carry all of their embarked troops' equipment as well as just the personnel. If we dump all the other hardware out of their vehicle holds, we could probably pack three or four dozen shuttles and pinnaces into each of them. For that matter, they've probably got around that many of their own already stowed in their boat bays, and if we've got 'em, we could even park a lot of them on the hull exteriors. Remember that Peeps go in for a lot more small craft docking ports than we do."
"You're thinking about putting people aboard them instead of the transports?" Ramirez asked.
"No, I was thinking more of connecting all of them to the ships' internal environmental systems as sort of secondary plants, or maybe booster stages."
"But even without that, Fritz's numbers would get us up to over two hundred and eighty-five thousand," Honor said, looking up from where she'd been scribbling numbers on an old-fashioned scratchpad.
"It would," Cynthia Gonsalves agreed. "But I don't like it. Even assuming Alistair's notion about using the shuttles and pinnaces works, it'll be a fragile, jury-rigged piece of work. And if we go with no safety margin, we create a situation in which if any part of the environmental plant does go down, people die." She sounded troubled, and Honor opened her mouth to reply, but Jesus Ramirez spoke up before she could.