Command Slots

Hutch wrote:

I still can't find the textev in Shadows of Freedom to confirm that. We know from textev that Khumalo was promoted to Vice Admiral ahead of Mike to keep the rank/time in line with the chain of command in Storm from the Shadows, but only Mike's promotion is mentioned in Shawdows of Freedom (unless I've missed it completely).

So I think Annachie is right, but Mike still sends reports via the Sector Commander (Khumalo), but stands alone as Fleet Commander.

I could be wrong, of course...

No, Rose got it right. You're looking in the wrong book. Go back to when Henke was first told she was becoming 10th Fleet CO by Sir Lucien. Khumalo is Station CO, for all of the Quadrant; she is his senior subordinate. Also, in HOS, in the bio sections, although that is previous to the second round of promotions.

When they get all the reinforcements, they both get promoted out of the zone to keep the seniority, and while Khumalo's promotion went through immediately, hers was delayed to her birthday.

As for their relationship, see the interview she had with him, and his brandy, after she got back from New Tuscany. He has to approve her actions.

And, all these promotions relate back to my purpose: who else should be promoted?

SharkHunter wrote:*nearly spilled the coffee I don't drink* when I read that one.

There's a reason that Khumalo is at Spindle and will be there for the foreseeable future. Same with Governor Medusa: they have credibility with a whole set of star systems for getting the Talbot Sector organized and well defended by the mobile RMN units, following Monica.

It's the same reason Lucien Cortez is still at BuPers and Hemphill at BuWeaps, and why part of Honor's contingent stays with her command team. They are simply the best at what they do in the exact areas they are needed, and while the Janacek admiralty may have been corrupt and deliberately wearing blinders, the White Haven run admiralty certainly is NOT.

To put it mildly, by backing his lower officers 100% the way he did in behalf of Queen Elizabeth at Monica, he's got "street credit" up the wazoo in his area of operation. Same with Medusa who has "political credit" to spare in the same area, and they make a pretty damn fine team, right where he is at.

Khumalo is already now a full admiral, and with time in service and the destruction of Home Fleet, he's only outranked by a few other officers, so there's not really another place for him to go that isn't already fully helmed. More importantly, he himself recognizes that he's not even in the same league as a recently promoted commodore (Terekhov) at the Battle of Spindle, but what he is qualified to do is essentially "man the Home fleet" for the planets in his sphere of operation (Talbot) quadrant while Tenth Fleet is away.

As always... thoughts?

Which one were you reading? Mostly, though, I agree. Three thoughts.

As far as anyone being the "best," I think the RMN probably trained a lot of tactical officers and sent a lot of people through the Crusher during Harrington's tenure. She knows a lot of people to pick new staff from.

second thought: Khumalo was a senior rear admiral of the Green, who could have been promoted before Monica, except he had a reputation as being difficult to work with. He was affiliated with the Conservative Association, and was sent to Talbott by Janacek because he was trusted.

After Monica, his promotion to Vice Admiral likely would have happened anyway, given that the Quadrant was being annexed, and they wanted him to command the station. But the decision to deploy a new Fleet there also made it necessary. Henke's promotion was out of the Zone, but Khumalo's wasn't. When they sent the reinforcements and several senior Vice Admirals, they faced the problem of keeping them in their slots, without a junior commanding a senior, by promoting both, this time out of the zone. This was entirely politics.

And last: We don't know how many full admirals there might be but they did lose a lot of them in BoMa, Thunderbolt, and the Yawata strike ; the detachment at Sidemore had (like Talbott) a Rear Admiral; we don't know about Basilisk, or Phoenix, or how many might be employed in administrative capacities dirtside. Or, still on half-pay because of either Janacek or White Haven.

YMMV

Rob

Draken wrote:Best thing for Andrea would be a squadron commander in Eight Fleet, so she could learn tactic and strategy from the best. Cardones is on next list for flag rank sow he don't give Imperator to Scotty?

The military assigns you where it thinks you can best support the mission. Your personal self-actualization isn't something that military really cares about.

Known full admirals and vice:
Caparelli, Chakabrati, Terrible Sonja, Toscarelli, Honor, Truman, White Haven, Higgins, Henke, Khumalo. Grayson are: Yanakov, Yu, Caslet. Haven: Theisman, Toureville, Diamato, Foraker. These are ones which I'm sure that they're admirals.
Officers on fast track for flag rank Scotty, Jaruwalski, Terekhow. To be updated tomorrow.
There should be at least one more four star admiral, cus we need somebody with enough seniority so he doesn't have similar problems to Honor on Hell. Grayson and Manticore will create one TF and Haven another for one fleet and similar to other one. I'm thinking about something similar to 21st Army Group in the early days of Overlord. One army was from US and another from other allies.

Draken wrote:Known full admirals and vice:
Caparelli, Chakabrati, Terrible Sonja, Toscarelli, Honor, Truman, White Haven, Higgins, Henke, Khumalo. Grayson are: Yanakov, Yu, Caslet. Haven: Theisman, Toureville, Diamato, Foraker. These are ones which I'm sure that they're admirals.
Officers on fast track for flag rank Scotty, Jaruwalski, Terekhow. To be updated tomorrow.
There should be at least one more four star admiral, cus we need somebody with enough seniority so he doesn't have similar problems to Honor on Hell. Grayson and Manticore will create one TF and Haven another for one fleet and similar to other one. I'm thinking about something similar to 21st Army Group in the early days of Overlord. One army was from US and another from other allies.

Of course there is always the one retired rear admiral - Harold Styles. I'm sure the Janacek admiralty tried to rehabilitate the poor man that Honor so viciously slandered after EoH.

Draken wrote:Known full admirals and vice:
Caparelli, Chakabrati, Terrible Sonja, Toscarelli, Honor, Truman, White Haven, Higgins, Henke, Khumalo. Grayson are: Yanakov, Yu, Caslet. Haven: Theisman, Toureville, Diamato, Foraker. These are ones which I'm sure that they're admirals.
Officers on fast track for flag rank Scotty, Jaruwalski, Terekhow. To be updated tomorrow.
There should be at least one more four star admiral, cus we need somebody with enough seniority so he doesn't have similar problems to Honor on Hell. Grayson and Manticore will create one TF and Haven another for one fleet and similar to other one. I'm thinking about something similar to 21st Army Group in the early days of Overlord. One army was from US and another from other allies.

You forgot two full admirals for Grayson: Fleet Admiral Honor Alexander-Harrington and Admiral Hamish Alexander-Harrington (the fact that Grayson made White Haven an admiral in the GSN was one of things that ticked off Janacek).

Also for Grayson (All from House of Steel): Admiral Cornelius Browning (Office of Shipbuilding), Admiral Austin Roberts (Office of Intelligence), Vice Admiral Justin Ackroyd (Office of Personnel), Admiral William Gaffney (Office of Technology), Admiral Leon Garret (System Defense Command) - first seen in The Honor of the Queen, Vice Admiral Thomas Albert, (Systems Command).

Note: I am not including Vice Admiral Mark Brentworth, as House of Steel lists him as CO Blackbird Yard. Inferred as being in the same conference with High Admiral Wesley Matthews when the Mesan Alignment destroyed Blackbird and killed the High Admiral.

Plus for Haven: Admiral Genevieve Chin (last seen in text at the Battle of Manticore, but mentioned as surviving in Mission of Honor).

Admiral Pascaline L'anglais (Capital Fleet), Vice Admirals Jennifer Bellefuille, Sampson Hermier and. All mentioned in A Rising Thunder (along with Vice Admiral Oliver Diamato who was already on your list) just before Filareta came to call.

Admiral Marquette, Chief of the Naval Staff and Vice Admiral Linda Trenis, head of the Bureau of Planning (responsible for NavInt), both mentioned in At All Costs.

And for Manticore: Admiral Sir Lucien Cortez (5th Space Lord), Vice Admiral Jessup Blaine (CO Task Force 302, Lynx Terminus Station before the Lynx Terminus fortresses were complete), Vice Admiral Quentin O'Malley (CO of Task Group 302.1 [battlecruiser squadron], part of the Lynx Terminus Station forces), Vice Admiral Lilian Danvers (3rd Space Lord), Admiral Mark Sarnow (CO of 9th Fleet and governor of the Silesian Sector in the Queen’s name), Vice Admiral Frederick Ormskirk (6th Space Lord), Vice Admiral Allen Mannock (7th Space Lord).

Roguevictory wrote:[quote="Dafmeister

I seriously doubt that Honor would have put her on the Crusher staff if doing so would kill her chances of getting to take it, and thus kill her chances of commanding anything heavier then a destroyer.

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I suspect Andrea Jaruwalski will be a career staff officer at this point -- and that's not all together a bad thing.
She is a senior captain, about 3 grades past taking the Crusher;
She has proven herself as Honor's Fleet Ops Officer. Her next position, assuming Honor would let her go, would be Chief of Staff for another senior Flag.

Stewart

[quote="Draken"]Khumalo post could be given to commodore or captain(sg), now 10th Fleet is main force in Talbott, so why we should create two different chains of command. Terekhow is on fast track for Admiral rank, so why don't give him some time as division or squadron commander in Honor fleet?

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Actually Khumalo's post (now) is Station Commander, which is more administrative and diplomatic than operational.

With the growth of the forces in Talbott, he warrants the senior rank as well; 10th Fleet is essentially a transient command that (currently) has its operational base in Talbott.

Part of the Station Commander's job is to support and provide for the operational commands in his command area.

-- Stewart

fallsfromtrees wrote:
Of course there is always the one retired rear admiral - Harold Styles. I'm sure the Janacek admiralty tried to rehabilitate the poor man that Honor so viciously slandered after EoH.

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I will go back and look, but I believe Styles as "allowed" to resign rather than face Court Martial.
Resignation is NOT retirement.

-- Stewart

stewart wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:
Of course there is always the one retired rear admiral - Harold Styles. I'm sure the Janacek admiralty tried to rehabilitate the poor man that Honor so viciously slandered after EoH.

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I will go back and look, but I believe Styles as "allowed" to resign rather than face Court Martial.
Resignation is NOT retirement.

-- Stewart

True enough. But do you think that the Janacek admiralty wouldn't try to rehabilitate the officer the Harrington had "so unfairly maligned" in her report after the escape from Hades.