Will the RF really be all that hard to find?

Howdy Everybody!

Given that Elisabeth and Eloise saw from the beginning that Mesa would be abandoned by the MAlign, its true base was hidden, and it would continue to have a false front that would obviously denounce genetic slavery, while probably equipped with large well armed SDF's, all ought to point to the 11 MAlign RF shills when they announce themselves.

Then what happens?

Do the MAlign avoid being interviewed by tree-cat accompanied GA leaders, including admirals, or do they immediately go hostile like the poor sap assassin trying to get Berry?

Whichever course, they'll give themselves away, which will bring up Alpha lines, the MAlign's genetic markers, the weaponized nano-tech, plus lots of other things to find, because I'm sure the great plan didn't include cute cuddly truth detectors being all over the galaxy seeking their guilty prey.

I expect a few pages of Albrecht Detweiler cursing those blasted treecats before HA-H has Darius destroyed, possibly rammed by an empty SD type warship with the compensator deliberately offline like in "With One Stone" then accelerated to .7-9C, while extra RD's, shuttles or drone LAC's use their wedges to further guard its sidewalls until its too late.

Please feel free to share other insights.

L

lyonheart wrote:Howdy Everybody!

Given that Elisabeth and Eloise saw from the beginning that Mesa would be abandoned by the MAlign, its true base was hidden, and it would continue to have a false front that would obviously denounce genetic slavery, while probably equipped with large well armed SDF's, all ought to point to the 11 MAlign RF shills when they announce themselves.

Then what happens?

Do the MAlign avoid being interviewed by tree-cat accompanied GA leaders, including admirals, or do they immediately go hostile like the poor sap assassin trying to get Berry?

Whichever course, they'll give themselves away, which will bring up Alpha lines, the MAlign's genetic markers, the weaponized nano-tech, plus lots of other things to find, because I'm sure the great plan didn't include cute cuddly truth detectors being all over the galaxy seeking their guilty prey.

I expect a few pages of Albrecht Detweiler cursing those blasted treecats before HA-H has Darius destroyed, possibly rammed by an empty SD type warship with the compensator deliberately offline like in "With One Stone" then accelerated to .7-9C, while extra RD's, shuttles or drone LAC's use their wedges to further guard its sidewalls until its too late.

Please feel free to share other insights.

L

I'm not sure where you're connecting the dots here LH. 1) Treecats are empaths - check
2) Treecats can sense the emotional states of humans - check
3) Treecats can determine who is and who is not an Alignment member in an interview --- ???

How do you figure?

There's nothing particularly special about an Alignment member's emotional state than is the case with any non-Alignment human being. They may have a hidden agenda but there are going to be literally thousands of leaders of thousands of worlds with are going to be less that truthful, maybe even secretly or not so secretly hostile to the Alliance.

Sure, treecats are going to be immensely capable of helping you figure out whether person X likes you or not, but there are going to literally be billions upon billions of people who are going to feel pretty much the same way. Difference is, Alignment members may actually be better at concealing or more appropriately, redirecting their emotions than others.

How are you going to pick out the Alignment schills from the planetary leader who doesn't like the Alliance for any of a number of extremely valid reasons, or who just has a lot of background hostility or who wants to use you for some ulterior purpose. What are you going to do with the Alignment member who really does like you and really hopes you can be a useful part of the new order, even wants to help you eventually fit in to your assigned station in life?

Emotions are funny things, they can give you some valuable clues but the hard part is determining just what those clues actually mean.

However I don't see anything intrinsic in the ability of treecats that makes them furry Mesan detectors.

You are assuming that the GA will have an excuse to get a treecat into range of the RF leaders. I don't see any of the GA leadership insisting that all governmental officials in the former SL submit to what is probably going to become well-known as a perfect lie-detector. Without an excuse, such as firing on a GA ship, the knowledge of the existance of the RF will be delayed.

I think there will be a natural place to look first. Visigoth. Too near Mesa for it not to be involved in some way.

Also, finding nations with lots of governing class with many gene markers in common with Genetic Slaves but no escaped slaves in their family trees. I suspect that is what "Uncle Jacques" is thinking of when he mentions what he might look for in a screening (CoG).

Visigoth might also be involved Lacoon II.

If they find Mannerheim, travel records for the meeting from WoH might lead to others.

Hi Reader Bob,

Possibly, but who knows, given how so much of the MAlign's plan is unraveling, it could be sooner than you think.

I'm not talking about investigating or deliberately setting out to interview all system leaders immediately, though I expect it will happen eventually.

NTM, getting a treecat testimonial will be a badge of honesty, integrity, etc for the galaxy's rising new leadership as other posters have pointed out.

What I do expect to happen soon is situations where Mike or another admiral visit a system, possibly Mesa, and the local leader(s) talks over the com and either invites them for dinner, or vice versa for a tour of the ship, and doesn't find out about the treecat guard until its too late or is alerted then makes a very awkward excuse.

If not the first time, such avoidance behavior will be noted over time, though I believe it will be from the first time because ONI etc will be watching, collecting data and making connections, looking for who fits the front organization profile.

That's one reason some of us wonder will happen when Audrey meets Mike, ie whether Alfredo will be there and her reaction, and vice versa.

RFC may set it up so Alpha's like Audrey think they've avoided giving themselves away when the treecats are keeping track given they've had centuries of experience learning the signals of how humans lie or deceive which the memory singers have rehearsed to all the 'scouts' is kept track of, besides other clues such as proving Aldona Anisimovna's streak dive because how quickly she traveled between NT and Mesa etc.

L

Reader Bob wrote:You are assuming that the GA will have an excuse to get a treecat into range of the RF leaders. I don't see any of the GA leadership insisting that all governmental officials in the former SL submit to what is probably going to become well-known as a perfect lie-detector. Without an excuse, such as firing on a GA ship, the knowledge of the existance of the RF will be delayed.

Alizon wrote:
I'm not sure where you're connecting the dots here LH. 1) Treecats are empaths - check
2) Treecats can sense the emotional states of humans - check
3) Treecats can determine who is and who is not an Alignment member in an interview --- ???

How do you figure?

There's nothing particularly special about an Alignment member's emotional state than is the case with any non-Alignment human being. They may have a hidden agenda but there are going to be literally thousands of leaders of thousands of worlds with are going to be less that truthful, maybe even secretly or not so secretly hostile to the Alliance.

Well, you can see how trivially Honor and Nimitz unmasked the MA agent who was largely responsible for the second war as soon as they met, so I can't see how anyone can doubt the power of treecats to make the books even more of a pointless walkover then they are already....

kzt wrote:

Alizon wrote:
I'm not sure where you're connecting the dots here LH. 1) Treecats are empaths - check
2) Treecats can sense the emotional states of humans - check
3) Treecats can determine who is and who is not an Alignment member in an interview --- ???

How do you figure?

There's nothing particularly special about an Alignment member's emotional state than is the case with any non-Alignment human being. They may have a hidden agenda but there are going to be literally thousands of leaders of thousands of worlds with are going to be less that truthful, maybe even secretly or not so secretly hostile to the Alliance.

Well, you can see how trivially Honor and Nimitz unmasked the MA agent who was largely responsible for the second war as soon as they met, so I can't see how anyone can doubt the power of treecats to make the books even more of a pointless walkover then they are already....

Huh? Explain what incident you are talking about please.

AFAIK, Col Nesbitt has never met Honor, and Delacroix was not a direct MALign agent, more of a venal dupe, and was not 'unmasked' anyway

If anything, the rather detailed descriptions of Honor's interactions with the opposing political figures in Neuveau Paris HIGHLIGHTS how difficult it will be to clearly detect/identify MAlign operatives with non-interrogatory treecat contacts, if those operatives are disciplined, committed, and appropriately low-profile during the contact.

dreamrider

dreamrider

I was kind of pointing out that this hasn't worked that way, and it would be pretty awful if it suddenly started working that way.

aha.

hence the little rolly eyed guy.

got it.

dr

dreamrider wrote:aha.

hence the little rolly eyed guy.

got it.

dr

Someone needs to have his sarcasm detector adjusted