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Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by Alistair   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:29 am

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What if any military assets does Desnair now have?

are they ripe for an invasion or would they have many more military units at home?
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by SYED   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:12 am

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They will need to send the desnair forces via dohlar, so need great assistance from the navy. If they attempt the shiloh option, they have no established logistics, while dohlar is potentially able, but at the sacrifice to the navy.
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by SYED   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:51 am

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They will need to send the desnair forces via dohlar, so need great assistance from the navy. If they attempt the shiloh option, they have no established logistics, while dohlar is potentially able, but at the sacrifice to the navy.
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by Alistair   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:19 am

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Yes but what forces do they actually have TO send?

How many riflemen?

I wouldn't be surprised if desnair will be lucky to just lose the buffer state Silkah.

After all around 10 more siddarmarkina divisions are ready to deploy...if five of them were sent south and desnair has no modern rifles...
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by CJK   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:00 am

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Given the position Desnair (plus the rest of Howard) is close to being CUT OFF from the rest of the mainland and in particular the money from the Temple lands. Similar to what happened to Tarot or Corisande but this time round the CoGA is REALLY struggling with money.

Desnair from the text does not sound like a state that can support the new form of warfare. Which leaves the option of Dohlar ARMING Desnair, which is also a tad unlikely given the enmity existing between them. I certainly would not allow a foreign less than friendly army to walk through my lands after a massive defeat which they may very well start another war of words on its own.

IMO Desnair is a puppet, the only question is whether it stays a CoGA one or Charis or Siddarmark decide to come in and change things. Nothing Desnair has will stop either the CoGA or the good guys from doing whatever they decide to at this point.
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by Direwolf18   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:17 am

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From previous discussions it was hypothesized that the Desnarian army was rather larger then the 300k that they lost in this disaster. Siddimark had what, a million men in their army before the civil war broke out, and another 2 million or so militia? I would imagine Desnair would have ball park similar numbers.

Now that being said, how many troops do they have left that are supplied with modern weapons is a whole different story.
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by dwileye13   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:04 am

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Direwolf18 wrote:From previous discussions it was hypothesized that the Desnarian army was rather larger then the 300k that they lost in this disaster. Siddimark had what, a million men in their army before the civil war broke out, and another 2 million or so militia? I would imagine Desnair would have ball park similar numbers.

Now that being said, how many troops do they have left that are supplied with modern weapons is a whole different story.


Also, they are a slave/serf society. A major portion of their forces are probably peacekeeping at home. Like Harchong, the Aristocracy sits nervously in the chair in fear of an uprising.

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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by Henry Brown   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:22 am

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Alistair wrote:What if any military assets does Desnair now have?

are they ripe for an invasion or would they have many more military units at home?


Desnair is a large nation. Even if there are minimal forces left there with modern weapons, I think it would tie up too many troops occupying it. However, if the Desnairan homeguard is that weak, then a it might be worthwhile to launch a series of amphibious raids on things like weapon production facilities or canals to hinder them from raising another army.
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by PeterZ   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:08 am

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Yes, Desnair is ripe for invasion.

Desnari industry sucks and all it can contribute to the Jihad are cavalry, poorly armed infantry and food. Those troops are just fine to keep the peace at home, but cannot begin to hold their own against other nations. Keeping a boot on the necks of the serfs and salves is all those troops are good for.

South Harchong is improving their industry quite well. Theirs has been a much more merchantile society than Desnair and continue to grow more so. Their industry is building rifles and artillery for the Jihad. As long as the Gulf of Dohlar remains free of the ICN, South Harchong can continue to provide arms for the Jihad.

By the Spring, the ICN will flooding the Gulf of Dohlar and sinking all the merchies it can find. That means convoys and fewer but larger shipments for Harchongese arms manufacturers. Once the KH VIIs arrive, no shipments will leave because Dohlar's key port cities will be in ruin and the Gulf will be an ICN fishing pond. So those manufactories will produce St. Kailmyn's rifles, rifled artillery and angle guns but wont be able to ship them North.

Pretty soon it becomes obvious that Charis will leave them alone so long as they stay out of the Gulf. What then will South Harchong do with all those modern arms? Perhaps they will see copius amounts of Desnari gold protected by an antiquated military and a hopelessly indolent aristocracy. Seeing that they will jump Fraihan's Wall and invade. I suspect they will have a moderately easy time taking all the land West of the Desnair Mountains. If Siddermark invades from the North and all the takes the Gulf of Jahras and a goodly chunk surounding it, both Siddermark and Harchong are well positioned to keep their gains.

Poor Desnair, these times are simply cruel to the indolent.
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Re: Status of Desnair Spoiler
Post by lizon   » Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:12 pm

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What you don't want to do from a military standpoint is bite off more than you can chew. Furthermore it's typically wise to not go off attacking somebody who is weak and can't fight back much when you have other more pressing issues to contend with first.

The Army needs to mop up Church forces in the South Marsh Lands and focus their attention with church forces in the north and prepare to handle the Harchong Army that is being trained in the Border States. It's worth noting that rifles that were supposed to be sent to Denisar and Dolhar were re-directed to the Harchong.

There are two primary threats to the Allied Powers. The Harchong Army and the Desinar Navy. That's it. Let the army handle the Harchong, use the ICN and the King Harolds to take out the Desinar Navy and open the path to an invasion of Silkiah form the west and the east.

The inclusion of Corniside in the EoC cannot be overstated. That will have a major impact in troop deployments. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the garrison forces have been moved off of Corniside and are on their way to help support fleet operations in the Gulf of Dohlar. The previous garrison was around 40k strong filled with veteran forces. I'm guessing that the fleet will have about 50-75k troops available for a western invasion of Silkah to cut off the Canal routes. We already know there are ICN units with Marine detachments in the Gulf of Jahras that are wrecking havok. I say add another 20-30k to their marine detachment and try to capture Khreos (I think that's spelled right) and move to cut off Silkiah. This should be enough to keep both Dolhar and Desinar tied up while the Army handles the Harchong.

Once the Harchong are out of the way can you even begin considering invading Temple loyal countries en masse.
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