(SPOILERS) Dialydd's report

Hi Don,

I think you meant to spell Nynian.

It happens to all of us.

L

n7axw wrote:

Tonto Silerheels wrote:n7axw wrote:

Oh, I don't think Merlin is going to create any doubts in Nimue's mind at this late date.

You said Nimue. Did you mean Aivah?

~Tonto

My bad. I meant Nyian.

Don

lyonheart wrote:Hi Don,

I think you meant to spell Nynian.

It happens to all of us.

L

No kidding. Why I don't get too pompous about other people's bad unless I find them funny.

Don

Tonto Silerheels wrote:PeterZ wrote:

It confirms the seijin's ability to travel large distances quickly

If Merlin wanted to confirm that ability to her, why not just tell her. I'm certain she would believe it. In fact, getting her to disbelieve it, should that be Merlin's wish, is the task that would take the most doing.

and it confuses the issue of just how many seijin's there are.

Why would Merlin wish to confuse the issue of how many seijins there are?

Aivah is more than smart enough to get the hint without Merlin ever actually saying he can get her to the Temple within a day.

It seems to me that if Merlin doesn't tell Aivah that he can get her to Zion and back in a day, then she would have to make preparations based on not being able to do so. If Aivah has to make those plans, then how does it help Merlin for Aivah to know he can move quickly and won't help her?

~Tonto

I suppose I am one of the ones that still harbor doubts about trusting Nynian and her SSK too quickly. Sending Nimue would introduce her to another seijin that demonstrably isn't Merlin. She definitely is a seijin because Nynian will no doubt verify when Nimue was last seen in Corisande and compare that time to when she showed up reporting on Dialydd Mab.

Yes it would confirm that should Merlin take her commission to take her to Zion with a day's notice, he can do it. I doubt Aivah has any doubts, but just in case the ability is demonstrated. Letting Aivah know Nimue is really another seijin adds to the complexity of the situation keeping Aivah slightly off balance until the Inner Circle decide to bring her in all the way.

Might not matter a hill of beans in the end. Then again it might if Aivah thinks that there are truly other seijin that do not share any physical characteristics with merlin at all. Might they be spying on her now that she has revealed herself? That might or might not keep her more honest than she would prefer. As I said none of this might matter in the end. Until that end comes why not take precautions?

PeterZ wrote:

Tonto Silerheels wrote:PeterZ wrote:

It confirms the seijin's ability to travel large distances quickly

If Merlin wanted to confirm that ability to her, why not just tell her. I'm certain she would believe it. In fact, getting her to disbelieve it, should that be Merlin's wish, is the task that would take the most doing.

and it confuses the issue of just how many seijin's there are.

Why would Merlin wish to confuse the issue of how many seijins there are?

Aivah is more than smart enough to get the hint without Merlin ever actually saying he can get her to the Temple within a day.

It seems to me that if Merlin doesn't tell Aivah that he can get her to Zion and back in a day, then she would have to make preparations based on not being able to do so. If Aivah has to make those plans, then how does it help Merlin for Aivah to know he can move quickly and won't help her?

~Tonto

I suppose I am one of the ones that still harbor doubts about trusting Nynian and her SSK too quickly. Sending Nimue would introduce her to another seijin that demonstrably isn't Merlin. She definitely is a seijin because Nynian will no doubt verify when Nimue was last seen in Corisande and compare that time to when she showed up reporting on Dialydd Mab.

Yes it would confirm that should Merlin take her commission to take her to Zion with a day's notice, he can do it. I doubt Aivah has any doubts, but just in case the ability is demonstrated. Letting Aivah know Nimue is really another seijin adds to the complexity of the situation keeping Aivah slightly off balance until the Inner Circle decide to bring her in all the way.

Might not matter a hill of beans in the end. Then again it might if Aivah thinks that there are truly other seijin that do not share any physical characteristics with merlin at all. Might they be spying on her now that she has revealed herself? That might or might not keep her more honest than she would prefer. As I said none of this might matter in the end. Until that end comes why not take precautions?

Hi Peter,

It is going to be interesting to see how RFC plays this out in the story arc, won't it?

Don

Yes, Don, it will be.

People, mark your spoilers.

Hi PeterZ,

I don't think Nynian has the means to check on Nimue in Corisande that quickly, before she could hear back, she will already be on her way to Zion, making it all moot.

Adding Nimue as a mere messenger is far too complicated for several reasons, given Merlin's constant companion of the KISS principle.

I think it'd be odd for RFC to devote this much time to developing Nynian etc and having it all go south, although what happened to the circle indicates we should be cautious, I think its even more unlikely to come up tails twice in the same series.

Given they know where the convent Nynian went is, OWL and Nahrmahn ought to be able to find the SSK and its critical relics before the inner circle decides, possibly reducing some of the pressure on the decision, although I expect Merlin to be strongly in favor as were all those in the discussion following Nynian's bombshells.

L

PeterZ wrote:

Tonto Silerheels wrote:PeterZ wrote:

It confirms the seijin's ability to travel large distances quickly

If Merlin wanted to confirm that ability to her, why not just tell her. I'm certain she would believe it. In fact, getting her to disbelieve it, should that be Merlin's wish, is the task that would take the most doing.

and it confuses the issue of just how many seijin's there are.

Why would Merlin wish to confuse the issue of how many seijins there are?

Aivah is more than smart enough to get the hint without Merlin ever actually saying he can get her to the Temple within a day.

It seems to me that if Merlin doesn't tell Aivah that he can get her to Zion and back in a day, then she would have to make preparations based on not being able to do so. If Aivah has to make those plans, then how does it help Merlin for Aivah to know he can move quickly and won't help her?

~Tonto

I suppose I am one of the ones that still harbor doubts about trusting Nynian and her SSK too quickly. Sending Nimue would introduce her to another seijin that demonstrably isn't Merlin. She definitely is a seijin because Nynian will no doubt verify when Nimue was last seen in Corisande and compare that time to when she showed up reporting on Dialydd Mab.

Yes it would confirm that should Merlin take her commission to take her to Zion with a day's notice, he can do it. I doubt Aivah has any doubts, but just in case the ability is demonstrated. Letting Aivah know Nimue is really another seijin adds to the complexity of the situation keeping Aivah slightly off balance until the Inner Circle decide to bring her in all the way.

Might not matter a hill of beans in the end. Then again it might if Aivah thinks that there are truly other seijin that do not share any physical characteristics with merlin at all. Might they be spying on her now that she has revealed herself? That might or might not keep her more honest than she would prefer. As I said none of this might matter in the end. Until that end comes why not take precautions?

I definitely read that snippet as her having figured out that all of them were him.she mentioned that all of the seijin Were in fact, just one seijin.

Tonto Silerheels wrote:Undercover Fat Kid wrote:

I don't doubt that she'll hear about it if she hasn't already, but I'm pretty sure that it's going to be one more piece of confirmation for her, after all, she's already proven that she can use a calendar.

Are you saying that Aivah will assume Dialydd Mab and Merlin Athrawes are one-and-the-same? I know that she thinks Ahbraim Jhevons and Merlin are, but I don't remember any evidence that she thinks Dialydd and Merlin are.

~Tonto

Sending Nimue to view the relics at the SSK might make sense. She would certainly blend in more than "any" of the male sejin.

lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ,

I don't think Nynian has the means to check on Nimue in Corisande that quickly, before she could hear back, she will already be on her way to Zion, making it all moot.

Adding Nimue as a mere messenger is far too complicated for several reasons, given Merlin's constant companion of the KISS principle.

I think it'd be odd for RFC to devote this much time to developing Nynian etc and having it all go south, although what happened to the circle indicates we should be cautious, I think its even more unlikely to come up tails twice in the same series.

Given they know where the convent Nynian went is, OWL and Nahrmahn ought to be able to find the SSK and its critical relics before the inner circle decides, possibly reducing some of the pressure on the decision, although I expect Merlin to be strongly in favor as were all those in the discussion following Nynian's bombshells.

L

I agree with what you say for the most part. I just think that Nynian might well be someone like Theisman in the Honorverse. She will be an honorable enemy before she becomes a boon companion. Most of my reasoning is plot driven and so is truly pure speculation.

The primary driver for my suspicion is the need to transition away from this no holds barred warfare to a conflict that does not forget the enemy is still human. Sure the combatants disagree powerfully, but the disagreement is an honest one.

Once the all combatants recognize the basic humanity of the other side, a resolution is possible. I believe that Nynian is one possible means RFC can use to move the characters to that end.