Unconquered

Did Unconquered survive the Yawata strike?
Been looking for evidence either way but haven't found it.
Anyone else have better luck?

exiledtoIA wrote:Did Unconquered survive the Yawata strike?
Been looking for evidence either way but haven't found it.
Anyone else have better luck?

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Do not believe it was mentioned.
That said -- It likely did. It was in orbit over Manticore, which had fewer debris strikes, so fewer projectiles to strike it. Unconquered would not have been on any primary target list and is a comparatively small target for collateral / secondary strikes.

-- Stewart

The only evidence I can think of ATM is that we've seen Honor wearing a white beret after the Yawata Strike.

jchilds wrote: The only evidence I can think of ATM is that we've seen Honor wearing a white beret after the Yawata Strike.

That is definitive. If Unconquered were in some sort of huge need to be repaired status, she'd have to swap to an Admiral's black beret briefly I think.

Likely it's in the same class as the HMS Duke of Cromarty discussed on another thread, essentially untargetable during Oyster Bay because they're in motion (impellers hot) and not big enough for independent "which ship is which" target resolution at extended ranges. They ships would also be protected from debris strikes simply by turning wedge on to the debris field, and in the process might have even had a small part in defending the planet below from even more debris strikes "off stage".

SharkHunter wrote:Likely it's in the same class as the HMS Duke of Cromarty discussed on another thread, essentially untargetable during Oyster Bay because they're in motion (impellers hot) and not big enough for independent "which ship is which" target resolution at extended ranges. They ships would also be protected from debris strikes simply by turning wedge on to the debris field, and in the process might have even had a small part in defending the planet below from even more debris strikes "off stage".

If the alignment wanted to destroy Unconquered, they could have done. There is no reason to assume that her impellers are active, and as a museum ship, she probably maintains a fairly predictable orbit near Hephaestus. That she wasn't shot had probably more to do with there being far better targets for the torpedoes than one completely obsolete Cruiser, no matter its nostalgia value.

The E wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:Likely it's in the same class as the HMS Duke of Cromarty discussed on another thread, essentially untargetable during Oyster Bay because they're in motion (impellers hot) and not big enough for independent "which ship is which" target resolution at extended ranges. They ships would also be protected from debris strikes simply by turning wedge on to the debris field, and in the process might have even had a small part in defending the planet below from even more debris strikes "off stage".

If the alignment wanted to destroy Unconquered, they could have done. There is no reason to assume that her impellers are active, and as a museum ship, she probably maintains a fairly predictable orbit near Hephaestus. That she wasn't shot had probably more to do with there being far better targets for the torpedoes than one completely obsolete Cruiser, no matter its nostalgia value.

As a museum ship though, I think she was orbiting Manticore, not Hephaestus., However, I think we are indirectly agreeing, because the Alignment didn't target ANY ships, and even if predictable at extreme range (and at x,000,000km missile range, it's extreme, even though by Honorverse standards it's targetable), it's still only an impeller wedge of size X near a planet, not "that's Unconquered's impeller signature, blow that sucker up!"

SharkHunter wrote:

jchilds wrote: The only evidence I can think of ATM is that we've seen Honor wearing a white beret after the Yawata Strike.

That is definitive. If Unconquered were in some sort of huge need to be repaired status, she'd have to swap to an Admiral's black beret briefly I think.

Likely it's in the same class as the HMS Duke of Cromarty discussed on another thread, essentially untargetable during Oyster Bay because they're in motion (impellers hot) and not big enough for independent "which ship is which" target resolution at extended ranges. They ships would also be protected from debris strikes simply by turning wedge on to the debris field, and in the process might have even had a small part in defending the planet below from even more debris strikes "off stage".

I suspect that if HMS Unconquered was destroyed, the RMN would still maintain the honorary crewlist. After all, none of the listees actually serve aboard the ship, so does it really matter if the ship no longer exists? The function of the crewlist is to let the Fleet nominate those it regards worthy of the Saganami tradition.

IMO, I don't think it was destroyed. A parking orbit with enough separation from Hephaestus and the Grayson-style yards, plus its extremely low value as a target would eliminate it from the MAN's targeting criteria.

Thanks, I couldn't find Textev either way but figured I might just have missed it.
I'm of 2 minds as to Unconquered's target value.
1> admittedly she's an old ship with little value in modern warfare so why bother.

2> she is a HIGH value target for the RMN emotionally. Loosing her especially due to a sneak attack would hurt.

Of course this would also REALLY get the RMN upset so it might not be the best idea.

As a museum ship it might have had a permanent dock at Hemhaestus for better acessibility and external power supply. Of course, through blind luck this could have been one of the largely surviving structures.

exiledtoIA wrote:Thanks, I couldn't find Textev either way but figured I might just have missed it.
I'm of 2 minds as to Unconquered's target value.
1> admittedly she's an old ship with little value in modern warfare so why bother.

2> she is a HIGH value target for the RMN emotionally. Loosing her especially due to a sneak attack would hurt.

Of course this would also REALLY get the RMN upset so it might not be the best idea.

I don't think the emotional value as a target is as high as you think. Certainly not high enough to make it a higher priority target than the many operational ships in orbit around Manticore. None of them were targeted, so I assume that the Unconquered was also not targeted. The only ships which were destroyed were the ones which were actually docked at the stations which were targeted.