Light bulb Captured Solly fleet

MAD-4A wrote:I say, resale to breakaway and fringe Soly systems.

Two problems with that. First, those systems aren't going to have any money real soon. The SL currency will be useful (the physical form of it) only as toilet paper. The systems will have to find some other form of currency.

The second problem is that none of those systems could afford to buy or many those ships unless they are sold pennies on the ten thousand dollar range.

Problem three - those systems don't have the support infrastructure or personnel to keep an ex-SLN superdreadnaught running. It would be like giving an es-Soviet Navy cruiser to Namibia; before long, all they'd have is a novelty lawn ornament floating around.

Dafmeister wrote:Problem three - those systems don't have the support infrastructure or personnel to keep an ex-SLN superdreadnaught running. It would be like giving an es-Soviet Navy cruiser to Namibia; before long, all they'd have is a novelty lawn ornament floating around.

Yes I am being a bad boy again and waking up an old thread involving a well-flogged dead horse. Yes, I know that we all and RFC all know that the captured Solarian SD's are about as useless as modern combatants as screen doors on a submarine, against the GA, too much to handle for Torch, etc. but...

What about Meyers? aka Admiral Henke wants the House of Thomas to look at the model for Grayson... where the RMN gave their new allies a number of captured Havenite SD's which would be quite a bit closer to a Solarian SD's in capability by comparison. Then the Grayson's started the process of upgrading their "gifted" ships to RMN standards.

Why not make the offer to parcel out a dozen or so of Crandall's SD's and do the same thing? Similar to Grayson, they've already got a deep space extraction program, trading position, etc. All of the Solarian support structure for Thurgood's BC's is still there, including some techs, and you simply assign the conversion job to whoever the House Of Thomas tells you to. Granted, Meyers still needs GA tech in system for their long range defenses, but it's still be a heckova jump start for this new ally's SDF forces.

Once they get the first ships up and running, maybe they ask for more of the SD's to continue developing a "sector defense force", maybe they don't. Should the House of Thomas go for it if an offer was made? Thoughts?

What should be done with the surenderd ships ? Give them or sell them to Torch. Also give or sell torch a lot of plasmar cutters.

Torch has a lot of unskiled labour who can cut them up for scrap.

It will also help train Torch's labour on working on ships. So that when in some years Torch starts to build its own ships (frigates) thay can use some of the breakers men as ship builders.

SharkHunter wrote: Yes I am being a bad boy again and waking up an old thread involving a well-flogged dead horse. Yes, I know that we all and RFC all know that the captured Solarian SD's are about as useless as modern combatants as screen doors on a submarine, against the GA, too much to handle for Torch, etc. but...

What about Meyers? aka Admiral Henke wants the House of Thomas to look at the model for Grayson... where the RMN gave their new allies a number of captured Havenite SD's which would be quite a bit closer to a Solarian SD's in capability by comparison. Then the Grayson's started the process of upgrading their "gifted" ships to RMN standards.

Why not make the offer to parcel out a dozen or so of Crandall's SD's and do the same thing? Similar to Grayson, they've already got a deep space extraction program, trading position, etc. All of the Solarian support structure for Thurgood's BC's is still there, including some techs, and you simply assign the conversion job to whoever the House Of Thomas tells you to. Granted, Meyers still needs GA tech in system for their long range defenses, but it's still be a heckova jump start for this new ally's SDF forces.

Once they get the first ships up and running, maybe they ask for more of the SD's to continue developing a "sector defense force", maybe they don't. Should the House of Thomas go for it if an offer was made? Thoughts?

I hereby proclaim this as The Thread That Will Not Die (TTTWND). Even if the MWW does add a paragraph in the next book saying that they were sold/scrapped/used for target practice/given to allies, it won't matter. Somebody will find this old thread and bring up their 'new/brilliant" thoughts on it.

*Hutch metaphorically shoots SharkHunter in the face with a bazooka*

That rant said, it;s actually not all that bad of an idea, given 40+ of the SD's are still orbiting Spindle.

Still, there is no reason to think that a Protectorate sector will have all that many more spacers/military than the Talbott sector, and giving that sort of hardware to a place the SLN had been staging attacks on the Talbott Sector could make the Talbotters a bit nervous (and yes, it was the SLN /MAligment sending the ships, not the Meyerites (?), but still....

And that is all I'm going to say...now, where did I store that bazooka....?

Hutch wrote:

SharkHunter wrote: Yes I am being a bad boy again and waking up an old thread involving a well-flogged dead horse. Yes, I know that we all and RFC all know that the captured Solarian SD's are about as useless as modern combatants as screen doors on a submarine, against the GA, too much to handle for Torch, etc. but...

What about Meyers? aka Admiral Henke wants the House of Thomas to look at the model for Grayson... where the RMN gave their new allies a number of captured Havenite SD's which would be quite a bit closer to a Solarian SD's in capability by comparison. Then the Grayson's started the process of upgrading their "gifted" ships to RMN standards.

Why not make the offer to parcel out a dozen or so of Crandall's SD's and do the same thing? Similar to Grayson, they've already got a deep space extraction program, trading position, etc. All of the Solarian support structure for Thurgood's BC's is still there, including some techs, and you simply assign the conversion job to whoever the House Of Thomas tells you to. Granted, Meyers still needs GA tech in system for their long range defenses, but it's still be a heckova jump start for this new ally's SDF forces.

Once they get the first ships up and running, maybe they ask for more of the SD's to continue developing a "sector defense force", maybe they don't. Should the House of Thomas go for it if an offer was made? Thoughts?

I hereby proclaim this as The Thread That Will Not Die (TTTWND). Even if the MWW does add a paragraph in the next book saying that they were sold/scrapped/used for target practice/given to allies, it won't matter. Somebody will find this old thread and bring up their 'new/brilliant" thoughts on it.

*Hutch metaphorically shoots SharkHunter in the face with a bazooka*

That rant said, it;s actually not all that bad of an idea, given 40+ of the SD's are still orbiting Spindle.

Still, there is no reason to think that a Protectorate sector will have all that many more spacers/military than the Talbott sector, and giving that sort of hardware to a place the SLN had been staging attacks on the Talbott Sector could make the Talbotters a bit nervous (and yes, it was the SLN /MAligment sending the ships, not the Meyerites (?), but still....

And that is all I'm going to say...now, where did I store that bazooka....?

Maybe we can ask duckk to lock the thread - that should kill it for good.

--snipping self--
What about Meyers? aka Admiral Henke wants the House of Thomas to look at the model for Grayson... where the RMN gave their new allies a number of captured Havenite SD's which would be quite a bit closer to a Solarian SD's in capability by comparison. Then the Grayson's started the process of upgrading their "gifted" ships to RMN standards.

Why not make the offer to parcel out a dozen or so of Crandall's SD's and do the same thing? Similar to Grayson, they've already got a deep space extraction program, trading position, etc. All of the Solarian support structure for Thurgood's BC's is still there, including some techs, and you simply assign the conversion job to whoever the House Of Thomas tells you to. Granted, Meyers still needs GA tech in system for their long range defenses, but it's still be a heckova jump start for this new ally's SDF forces.

Once they get the first ships up and running, maybe they ask for more of the SD's to continue developing a "sector defense force", maybe they don't. Should the House of Thomas go for it if an offer was made? Thoughts?[/quote]

fallsfromtrees wrote:I hereby proclaim this as The Thread That Will Not Die (TTTWND). Even if the MWW does add a paragraph in the next book saying that they were sold/scrapped/used for target practice/given to allies, it won't matter. Somebody will find this old thread and bring up their 'new/brilliant" thoughts on it.

*Hutch metaphorically shoots SharkHunter in the face with a bazooka*

That rant said, it;s actually not all that bad of an idea, given 40+ of the SD's are still orbiting Spindle.

Still, there is no reason to think that a Protectorate sector will have all that many more spacers/military than the Talbott sector, and giving that sort of hardware to a place the SLN had been staging attacks on the Talbott Sector could make the Talbotters a bit nervous (and yes, it was the SLN /MAligment sending the ships, not the Meyerites (?), but still....

And that is all I'm going to say...now, where did I store that bazooka....?

Which is why I pleaded bad boy first before waking up the thread. Thread's dead, Jim. Me ducks the bazooka shot...

Good point about the "sector" not having earned good will in Talbott enough for the "Meyerites" to be seen as friendlies, "no matter what Henke says". Ah well, Meyers was my only hope to dispose of the clutter orbiting Spindle for fun and profit.
Guess we'll have to tow 'em out to the 'belt and slag them with LAC target practice and turn 'em back into asteroids....

I would think that Meyers would only have the ability to support battle cruisers and below, seeing as it was OFS/FF who were running it.

A "gift" of some of the smaller ships to Meyers would make more sense as
1 they would be able to support them
2 they would not be seen as a threat to the nearby systems
3 they would have the firepower to defend themselves if some nasty people showed up and decided to play at dictator.

Unskilled labor is a relative term. When you are talking tearing down SL SDs you are talking about needing people who have a practical knowledge and experience in taking apart large things in a weightless and vacume environment. You probably are also going to want people who can strip usable equipment (and parts of equipment) out of what you are scraping to either reuse it in other ships, as general replacement parts, or repurpose for some other use. This is not giving guys in shirts and shorts cutters to take apart some broken supertanker on a mudflat somewhere off a tropical island or river mouth.

Meyers has at least some other-than-planitary orbital industry so there will be people around with basic experience for living and working in space including dealing with working in vacume. Grayson certainly did between it's own SDF, the orbital food production complexes and all the industry they already had in space.
We don'k know anything about what- if anything-Meyers currently has for an SDF and other than the equivelent to customs ships and/search & rescue for insystem emergencies it would not have depended on FF to provide.

They would probably get more bang for the buck by taking former SLN ships at BC size and below to give them numbers of units and multiple training enviornments to more rapidly expand their own capasity. How likely is it that the SLN is going to send SDs at someplace like Myers? And if they do, how many former SLN SDs would they need to defeat the attacking force? Much better to be able to stand off much of what the region's FF command might send against them and be able to deal with other things that FF would have or was supposed to have been dealing with such as pirates. First line BF or FF ships would be much more helpful. They can also "improve" them as they see fit.

Meyers can probably start turning out pairs and weapons (mostly missiles) for the former SLN ships if they turn their minds and some manufacturing to it. Unlikely Manticore is going to give them a turn-key tech package to let them start manufacturing (when they figure out the manufactuing end of it- of all the molycryic stuff etc) and top of the line military hardware that they would have to first figure out how to retrofit any SLN ships to cary it and the tactical systems to effectivly use it.
We are not anticipating the Alignment to go after Meyers but it is possilble one of the RF will look at Meyers going forward, it is unlikely now. So what they really need is some sort of parity with FF/BF units below the wall.

Torch really seems to have NOTHING as far as orbital industry. It is building its SDF infrastucture and starting to put together it's own manufacturing but it is a LONG way from being able to handle wholesale ship-breaking and using the compoents and materials.

Rather than dumping them off on torch, which really doesn't need or have a use for them, why not given them to the Maya sector governor when things turn pear shaped for the SL? Secret deals can be made so the Mayan sector governor and Admiral in charge know about them and can make preparations to staff house them. It would give a friendly sector a good bump up in military capacity since it's going to be the SL the rebelling sectors are going to face in all likelihood, and help make the Maya sector a base of stability in the SL, and help ward off any wanna-be warlords that might want to snip off pieces of it.

Other than that, I'd say either turn them over to the Talbot systems as training aids to get people used to being in and working/living in space or just turn them over to the scrapyards in Talbot and scrap them.

Or just pitch them into the sun.