Question about Beowulf tactics

StealthSeeker wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:You can find a lot of the acronyms used at:
http://web.ncf.ca/et116/DW-ABBR.htm or just ask here, as there are a lot of people who will respond to a polite request for information. After all, most of us remember what it was like to be clueless.

Thanks for the pointer. However, would you believe that HoS isn't on the list??

Scroll down to the list of books at the bottom of the page - it is mentioned there.

fallsfromtrees wrote:You can find a lot of the acronyms used at:
http://web.ncf.ca/et116/DW-ABBR.htm or just ask here, as there are a lot of people who will respond to a polite request for information. After all, most of us remember what it was like to be clueless.

Would you believe Beginnings (aka WOH6) is not included in the list

StealthSeeker wrote:
You're throwing around a lot of information there about evolving ship capabilities over time. Is there another reference book I should be looking for? Or have you just been very studious in collecting information throughout the series of books?

I have read almost every book that Mr. Weber has written and I have enjoyed all of them. I didn't find the Safehold series until last year but I have them all read now and am waiting for more. But of all the books that he has written the one I am most desperate to have a "next in the series of" is the Honor Harrington series (HH14).

CoG was nice, I enjoyed it, but it did nothing to help resolve the burning question I have had since ART. WHAT HAPPENS AT BEOWULF!!! My mind keeps spinning out a great number of possibilities of how it could play out. The only way to silence that buzzing of possibilities is to read the book to see how Mr. Weber decides to tell it.

I am in favor of following up the defense of Beowulf with an attack on the SLN mothball fleet and shipyards. I want to knock some stuffing out of the SLN with out killing a lot of people. Blowing up their useless "reserve" while no people are in them seems like a great way to do that. I would save the precious Manty missiles by using LAC grasers to do most of the dirty work.

The one bit of good information I got from CoG was that Henke will arrive in Mesa at about the same time that the SLN is going to be arriving in Beowulf. Which aught to make the heads of the SLN Admiralty absolutely spin! Having that large of a force so close in their rear should shake things up just a bit!

There were a few older reference books; Jaynes The Royal Manticoran Navy, Jaynes The People's Republic Navy, And the 3 Saganami Island Tactical Simulatir (game) ship books

But all of these have really been superseded and expanded upon by HoS.
The ship accelerations I paid special attention to due to a project a while back to try to recreate the compensator / mass acceleration curves. That involved pouring over every good reference to a ship's acceleration I could find.

The other details are mostly from discussions here.

In trying to understand the vastness of the physical space in which the Honorverse exists I have looked for illustrations to depict the universe and solarssystems in that world. The best I have found so far was one on Wikipedia but it is lacking on a lot of detail that was mentioned in ART.

An example of that lack of detail is the series of wormholes that the task force in ART-ch26 has traveled through to arrive at the SL terminus they have taken over. Does a better map of the Honorvers exist somewhere? I would be nice if there was a very detailed map somewhere in a computer aided design (CAD) format. That way I could look at it in different layers. Maybe a layer for Haven, one for Manticore, one for the SL, one for Maya, one for wormholes and so on.

StealthSeeker wrote:In trying to understand the vastness of the physical space in which the Honorverse exists I have looked for illustrations to depict the universe and solarssystems in that world. The best I have found so far was one on Wikipedia but it is lacking on a lot of detail that was mentioned in ART.

An example of that lack of detail is the series of wormholes that the task force in ART-ch26 has traveled through to arrive at the SL terminus they have taken over. Does a better map of the Honorvers exist somewhere? I would be nice if there was a very detailed map somewhere in a computer aided design (CAD) format. That way I could look at it in different layers. Maybe a layer for Haven, one for Manticore, one for the SL, one for Maya, one for wormholes and so on.

Yes, there is a better map. No, you can't see it.

David has a complete map. BuNine has been working with David to convert his maps from 2D to 3D with minimal conflict with text. But no one else gets to see those maps in full.

David has deliberately limited the information he has given on the newly revealed wormholes and systems. In part, this is to avoid revealing spoilers he doesn't want to give out yet. In part this is so he has leeway to move things around as his story evolves.

The best maps produced from the available published information are at: www.gotshifted.com/honorverseglossary/MAPS.html.

SWM wrote:Yes, there is a better map. No, you can't see it.

David has a complete map. BuNine has been working with David to convert his maps from 2D to 3D with minimal conflict with text. But no one else gets to see those maps in full.

David has deliberately limited the information he has given on the newly revealed wormholes and systems. In part, this is to avoid revealing spoilers he doesn't want to give out yet. In part this is so he has leeway to move things around as his story evolves.

The best maps produced from the available published information are at: http://www.gotshifted.com/honorverseglossary/MAPS.html.

Ahhh.... so putting the Honorvers into a 3D CAD file wasn't an original idea... Well maybe all the people who thought of it before me are very intelligent folk and I can claim that great minds thinks alike.

Thanks for the pointer to the existing maps, one of them was the map on the Wiki site.

I have to figure that there are a great many wormholes out there in the Honorverse. If not all shipping would go through Manticore which is not true. But I have to admit that it makes my imagination swirl in confusion when RMN battle groups start popping through chains of wormholes that come out of nowhere. Knowing a "geographic" location or a strategic importance of a particular terminus that is being taken over would be a big help in understanding the progress of Lacoon.

However, I would guess that in the next HH book Lacoon is going to be a big part of it, along with the attack on Beowulf and what takes place as a result of that attack. Personally I figure that the SL is coming late to the planing stage for there to be much success for them. With Manticore coming to the conflict with a plan not only in hand but already in motion is going to have the SLN running in confused scattered directions trying to react to what is going on. If the SLN can manage to get a sizable fore together to attack Beowulf before the vote, I expect that will be the last time they will be able to get a task force that big together. Piecemeal battle groups will be sent out to deal with one terminus or another and they will each be defeated in detail. In the end the SLN will be depleted to a shell of itself no longer able to threaten anybody.

At that point the SL will start to fall apart with planets seceding all over the place and forming small star system groups that will provide their own self defense.

The attack on Beowulf will be the SLN's last great hurraw. Everything will be scattered bits of confused deterioration there after.

Which means that the follow on books in the series will have to do with rebuilding what ever replaces the SL and finding and destroying the MA. So there is great fun yet to be had.

This is just a general comment.

The pearls are helpful. There is an enormous amount of info in David's posts.

But the best sourse of info is the books. Probably 90+ percent of the info is there.

I know the trouble I have is keeping up with the vast volumne of info. My head gets filled up and it starts leaking out, no matter how much and often I reread. I'm not gifted with a photographic memory.

So... I just plug away.

Don

SWM wrote:

StealthSeeker wrote:In trying to understand the vastness of the physical space in which the Honorverse exists I have looked for illustrations to depict the universe and solarssystems in that world. The best I have found so far was one on Wikipedia but it is lacking on a lot of detail that was mentioned in ART.

An example of that lack of detail is the series of wormholes that the task force in ART-ch26 has traveled through to arrive at the SL terminus they have taken over. Does a better map of the Honorvers exist somewhere? I would be nice if there was a very detailed map somewhere in a computer aided design (CAD) format. That way I could look at it in different layers. Maybe a layer for Haven, one for Manticore, one for the SL, one for Maya, one for wormholes and so on.

Yes, there is a better map. No, you can't see it.

David has a complete map. BuNine has been working with David to convert his maps from 2D to 3D with minimal conflict with text. But no one else gets to see those maps in full.

David has deliberately limited the information he has given on the newly revealed wormholes and systems. In part, this is to avoid revealing spoilers he doesn't want to give out yet. In part this is so he has leeway to move things around as his story evolves.

The best maps produced from the available published information are at: http://www.gotshifted.com/honorverseglossary/MAPS.html.

Thank you for the pointer to the maps - most informative.

Because the information about the “Fifth Imperium” was originally posted here, in this thread, for a reference for me to use, I would like to follow up here with a small report of what I have been able to do.

I was able to go to the BaenCD “Fifth Imperium” site and down load BaenCD #22 which is titled “Missioin of Honor CD”. That CD contained all the Honorverse books up to “Mission of Honor” in various formats. I was able to convert the “.doc” versions of those books into good text files. Having them in that format makes it so incredibly easy to go back, using text search tools, and find bits of detail.

I do not feel any guilt about having any of this material in this format because I own a paper copy of every Honovers book except “Cauldron of Ghosts” and now that it has come out on paper back I'll be picking up a copy of that. A paper back at B&N or Amazon is now $12, twice what I use to pay for a paperback copy of a book when I first started reading this series back in 1995. I know that for a fact as I checked the back of my old and yellowing copy of “On Basilisk Station” for it's price, which was $5.99.

StealthSeeker wrote:I was able to go to the BaenCD “Fifth Imperium” site and down load BaenCD #22 which is titled “Missioin of Honor CD”. That CD contained all the Honorverse books up to “Mission of Honor” in various formats.

Just be careful; IIRC the MoH on that CD was the E-ARC, not the final version. Also, all the other books are the first printing, with no edits that made it into later editions.

P.S. No reason to feel bad about it at all. That CD is available with the permission of both Baen Books and Mr. Weber, who are perfectly happy to get those books out there.