Question about Beowulf tactics

kzt wrote:I know this place that has hundreds of slightly used SLN SDs and apparently an ally is turning out loads of Apollo missile packs....

That's true, but they aren't giving any of those missiles to the Solarian League Navy, now are they.

Weird Harold wrote:

kzt wrote:I know this place that has hundreds of slightly used SLN SDs and apparently an ally is turning out loads of Apollo missile packs....

That's true, but they aren't giving any of those missiles to the Solarian League Navy, now are they.

Nit: Nobody is producing Apollo missile packs at this time. The idea that Beowulf will produce them won't be implemented until after the vote and will take some time to bear fruit.

Don

kzt wrote:I know this place that has hundreds of slightly used SLN SDs and apparently an ally is turning out loads of Apollo missile packs....

Weird Harold wrote:That's true, but they aren't giving any of those missiles to the Solarian League Navy, now are they.

n7axw wrote:Nit: Nobody is producing Apollo missile packs at this time. The idea that Beowulf will produce them won't be implemented until after the vote and will take some time to bear fruit.

Don

I thought that the lines were already set up. That was the impression I got upon reading. I assume (dangerous that) that Beowulf is keeping most of the missiles being produced for home defense, but that is just an assumption.

fallsfromtrees wrote:I thought that the lines were already set up. That was the impression I got upon reading. I assume (dangerous that) that Beowulf is keeping most of the missiles being produced for home defense, but that is just an assumption.

Even if Beowulf isn't mass-producing MDMs, San Martin should have missile lines up and running by now as well. I believe Hancock was mentioned as another place that could convert to missile production fairly quickly.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

kzt wrote:I know this place that has hundreds of slightly used SLN SDs and apparently an ally is turning out loads of Apollo missile packs....

Weird Harold wrote:That's true, but they aren't giving any of those missiles to the Solarian League Navy, now are they.

n7axw wrote:Nit: Nobody is producing Apollo missile packs at this time. The idea that Beowulf will produce them won't be implemented until after the vote and will take some time to bear fruit.

Don

I thought that the lines were already set up. That was the impression I got upon reading. I assume (dangerous that) that Beowulf is keeping most of the missiles being produced for home defense, but that is just an assumption.

I don't know about San Martin...

But Beowulf? The agreement to do so occurred at most a week or so before Filereta showed up. Completely discounting the need to get Beowulf out of the League before implementing the decision, it does require some setup time before you start seeing missiles. Honor's Uncle Jacques hadn't even been home as of the wedding conversation...

Don

I'd wager that one or two Manticoran junction forts likely has enough stocked pods to really mess with the SLN's day, anywhere, and that there's enough spare magazine capacity with the remaining forts that Elizabeth et. al. could perhaps loan said fortification (minus the fort(s) ) to Beowulf to defend their side of the terminus from oppositional nastiness.

I suspect that in that case, the GA newsies wink at the truth might be "why those darn Beowulfan's stripped the darn thing(s) dry, and put all the SDF pods where they could use them! What's that? they used the fort's FTL links [okay so it was actually the RMN wink wink since the actual fort never moved...] to smack the incoming SLN armada into scrap metal and surrendered ships, why those darn SDFers! You have to pay us back!"

At which point Elizabeth publicly announces that Beouwulf was attacked, but will repay the GA by producing enough missiles to RMN specs to replace them." By then the secession election's happened and Beowulf begins producing *cough* a rather a larger substantial quantity more than they actually used.

SharkHunter wrote:I'd wager that one or two Manticoran junction forts likely has enough stocked pods to really mess with the SLN's day, anywhere, and that there's enough spare magazine capacity with the remaining forts that Elizabeth et. al. could perhaps loan said fortification (minus the fort(s) ) to Beowulf to defend their side of the terminus from oppositional nastiness.

I suspect that in that case, the GA newsies wink at the truth might be "why those darn Beowulfan's stripped the darn thing(s) dry, and put all the SDF pods where they could use them! What's that? they used the fort's FTL links [okay so it was actually the RMN wink wink since the actual fort never moved...] to smack the incoming SLN armada into scrap metal and surrendered ships, why those darn SDFers! You have to pay us back!"

At which point Elizabeth publicly announces that Beouwulf was attacked, but will repay the GA by producing enough missiles to RMN specs to replace them." By then the secession election's happened and Beowulf begins producing *cough* a rather a larger substantial quantity more than they actually used.

I thought that the forts had been pretty much stood down, but there are over 2.5 million system defense pods in the Manticore system. They can afford to ship a few off to Beowulf,

--snipping--

fallsfromtrees wrote:I thought that the forts had been pretty much stood down, but there are over 2.5 million system defense pods in the Manticore system. They can afford to ship a few off to Beowulf,

Ny-ope. First of all, the Beowulfan's big temptation was to inform Manticore and let Tsang's ships go on through and get blasted into scrap. They decided that would be unethical in terms of the crews, not the SLN officers. But even the Mandarins know that the forts are still there. This is Quartermain's musing:

A Rising Thunder wrote:Assuming Operation Raging Justice had proceeded as planned—and the dispatch boat which had transited to Beowulf seemed to prove Filareta had reached Manticore at least a week ago, just about on schedule—they should already have heard from him. The fact that they hadn’t didn’t necessarily prove things hadn’t gone as planned, however. Battles between fleets the size of Eleventh Fleet and whatever the Manties had scraped up might last days or even weeks as the opponents maneuvered against one another. For that matter, even if Filareta had captured all three of the Manticore Binary System’s inhabited planets, he still would have had to get past the forts at the Manticore end of the Junction—and past the combined BSDF and RMN detachments in Beowulf space at the other end—before he could have gotten a message back to Old Chicago.

There's also a quote later in aRT where an RMN officer is musing about passing through the Agueda wormhole terminus being nervous but thinking something along the lines of "at least you're not having to poke your nose into the Junciton Forts"...

fallsfromtrees wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:I'd wager that one or two Manticoran junction forts likely has enough stocked pods to really mess with the SLN's day, anywhere, and that there's enough spare magazine capacity with the remaining forts that Elizabeth et. al. could perhaps loan said fortification (minus the fort(s) ) to Beowulf to defend their side of the terminus from oppositional nastiness.

I suspect that in that case, the GA newsies wink at the truth might be "why those darn Beowulfan's stripped the darn thing(s) dry, and put all the SDF pods where they could use them! What's that? they used the fort's FTL links [okay so it was actually the RMN wink wink since the actual fort never moved...] to smack the incoming SLN armada into scrap metal and surrendered ships, why those darn SDFers! You have to pay us back!"

At which point Elizabeth publicly announces that Beouwulf was attacked, but will repay the GA by producing enough missiles to RMN specs to replace them." By then the secession election's happened and Beowulf begins producing *cough* a rather a larger substantial quantity more than they actually used.

I thought that the forts had been pretty much stood down, but there are over 2.5 million system defense pods in the Manticore system. They can afford to ship a few off to Beowulf,

The forts that were seen in On Basilisk Station (manpower intensive, no internal pod-laying capability) were stood down. Manticore replaced the Junction forts with more capable forts as of At All Costs (see chapter 62), which is why Home Fleet was freed to move from the Junction to Sphinx.

Brigade XO wrote:Interesting legal point. Sending a fleet of the SLN to demand compliance is interesting given that Beowulf is a SOVEREIGN system. It has given proper notice of intent to hold the plebiscite and, in my opinion, be justified in telling the SL (its representatives and or the SLN) to stay the hell out of the system until the vote is taken. If- as we expect- the SL tries to inject it's military into the process and actualy cross the hyper limit, I believe Beowulf is within it's right (and necessity) of defending itself and it's population. Things will then get ugly.

I believe you are mistaken in what the SLN would be saying when (if) they arrive at Beowulf. They won't be saying "You must comply with our wishes." They will be saying "We are here to ensure that the plebiscite is held fairly. We have reason to believe that foreign operatives have infiltrated Beowulf with the intent of sabotaging or manipulating the vote." Then they will make sure that the vote result comes out the way they want.