Retirement Age in the Honorverse

kzt wrote:

Well sure. Baltimore is #6 most dangerous city in the US. St Louis is the worst.

The murder rate in the UK is weird, the government counts convictions, not dead bodies. So by the UK standards Chicago only has had 74 murders this year, the other 432 dead bodies don't count. Hence the UK police have every incentive to not solve murders. It's hard to find out how many people end up dead via criminal acts in the UK.

It's almost as bad with other statistics. UK violent crime includes crimes the FBI doesn't include as violent crimes. So the UK 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 isn't directly comparable to the 466 per 100,000 violent crimes in the US. However it's pretty clear the violent crime rate in the UK is higher then the overall US rate, it's just not 4 times higher.

Great point about the statistics on homicides in Great Britain. In the not so distant past, British police achieved a nearly 100% clearance rate on homicides with extremely high conviction rates. Compare this to about 60% to 65% clearance rates in the US which are inflated by the common practice of "solving" murders by presuming that some recently deceased gang banger is the killer because they had the misfortune of buying a gun that "had a body on it.". Now British police are becoming much less adept at solving crimes. Not counting homicides as murders helps them to convince the public that they are still Sherlock Holmes rather than Inspector Clousue.


https://youtu.be/wSiqYWsFXoM

TFLYTSNBN wrote:

kzt wrote:

Well sure. Baltimore is #6 most dangerous city in the US. St Louis is the worst.

The murder rate in the UK is weird, the government counts convictions, not dead bodies. So by the UK standards Chicago only has had 74 murders this year, the other 432 dead bodies don't count. Hence the UK police have every incentive to not solve murders. It's hard to find out how many people end up dead via criminal acts in the UK.

It's almost as bad with other statistics. UK violent crime includes crimes the FBI doesn't include as violent crimes. So the UK 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 isn't directly comparable to the 466 per 100,000 violent crimes in the US. However it's pretty clear the violent crime rate in the UK is higher then the overall US rate, it's just not 4 times higher.

Great point about the statistics on homicides in Great Britain. In the not so distant past, British police achieved a nearly 100% clearance rate on homicides with extremely high conviction rates. Compare this to about 60% to 65% clearance rates in the US which are inflated by the common practice of "solving" murders by presuming that some recently deceased gang banger is the killer because they had the misfortune of buying a gun that "had a body on it.". Now British police are becoming much less adept at solving crimes. Not counting homicides as murders helps them to convince the public that they are still Sherlock Holmes rather than Inspector Clousue.


https://youtu.be/wSiqYWsFXoM

There used to be lot fewer killings in Britain. That helped a real lot. Also, lack of guns meant fewer deaths, just more stabbings and beatings where the victim survived.

The Brits have gotten "better" at that. Now more knife victims do die. And a lot of the British police spend their days on social media ensuring "their' view of social justice.

ldwechsler wrote:
The Brits have gotten "better" at that. Now more knife victims do die. And a lot of the British police spend their days on social media ensuring "their' view of social justice.

On the bright side, it's been a few years since the last group of constables got assassinated with hand grenades.

tlb wrote:

saber964 wrote:The probable reason why in the RMN Slaving and Piracy are immediate capital offences are because usually the evidence is immediate and overwhelming.

Oh,we've caught Mr. Slaver, he has violated the equipment clause or has a few hundred or thousand really, really pissed off witness for the prosecution.
Pirates are probably the same way.

cthia wrote:And because Slaving and Piracy are the most disgusting and morally bankrupt crimes.

ywing14 wrote:Yeah it really doesn't get any worse than that.

I believe there is a brief court martial and it might not be considered practical to transport pirates to a higher court.

However there probably more disgusting and morally bankrupt crimes: consider the killing fields of various countries beginning in the 20th century.

cthia wrote:I wonder how much of it hinges on security which hinges on logistics.

Pirates are professional car thieves, if they remain on your ship too long, you may end up thumbing a ride home if they let you live. Look what Honor and her crew did to Ransom's ship.

In fact, isn't that exactly what happened to Alfredo Yu aboard his ship? The Masadans made him thumb a ride and they weren't even Pirates. LOL

Really if anyone was the Pirate it was Yu. If I recall those vessels were gifts to Masadans according to Theisman.

Weird Harold wrote:

tlb wrote:What? Hornblower was Royal Navy, never Marines.

But Honor is a Colonel of Marines. For most it's purely ceremonial, but Honor is Honor.

Pardon my bold.

Whaa!

True. But! . . .

Hornblower's exploits were many. They were also found on land. He was a natural on horseback. His swashbuckling description is well deserved. To compare and follow in his footsteps, I just thought Honor could take advantage of her Colonel of Marines title and do a little swashbuckling of her own. Down on planet.

kzt wrote:

ldwechsler wrote:
The Brits have gotten "better" at that. Now more knife victims do die. And a lot of the British police spend their days on social media ensuring "their' view of social justice.

On the bright side, it's been a few years since the last group of constables got assassinated with hand grenades.

Were these the Holiest of Holy Handgrenades?

tlb wrote:What? Hornblower was Royal Navy, never Marines.

Weird Harold wrote:But Honor is a Colonel of Marines. For most it's purely ceremonial, but Honor is Honor.

cthia wrote:Pardon my bold.

Whaa!

True. But! . . .

Hornblower's exploits were many. They were also found on land. He was a natural on horseback. His swashbuckling description is well deserved. To compare and follow in his footsteps, I just thought Honor could take advantage of her Colonel of Marines title and do a little swashbuckling of her own. Down on planet.

Prompted by Weird Harold, I remembered that Hornblower had also been made a Colonel of Marines. In both cases this is symbolic of the sovereign's favor and intended to boost the salary of someone who has not made flag rank; but it is a symbolic position, not an actual appointment as a Marine. This is from chapter 3 of Field of Dishonor:

"And now, Dame Honor, it's your turn," the Queen said, and Honor straightened. "We'll take care of the formalities—including the award of a richly deserved thank you—later in the Blue Hall, but I've decided to appoint you to the rank of Colonel of Marines, as well."
Honor's eyes widened in surprise as great as Henke's. Appointment as a colonel of Marines was a way for the Crown to show special approval of a captain too junior for promotion to flag rank, and very few officers ever received the honor. It wouldn't change her actual authority in any way, but she would receive a colonel's salary in addition to her regular pay, and the appointment was an unequivocal indication of royal favor.

Honor has already swashbuckled on planet in Echoes of Honor and I think her armsmen would assist her husband in confining her to quarters if she tried to do something like that by choice.

Not sure of the actual retirement age, but Honor needs to retire. She will have 3 or 4 children when we next see her onscreen. At least 1 will have strong psych talents with a really prodigious set of physical abilities. Given Hamish's height and Honor's, Raoul will be a muscled giant with the Meyerdahl-beta mods.

Catherine will be standard human....maybe. We know Allyson played with her genetics to ensure she did not have issues regarding the ability to accept regen therapies. What else did she add into the mix? The same question can be asked regarding Emily's second child and even Honor's future children.

For that matter isn't Emily related to the QE III? Not sure if that's through the Wynton line or another line. If through the Wynton's, then the genetic mixing of genies mods will be interesting.

Bottom line is that we need to let Honor retire and let he children take up her fight. well, at least start bugging david about the next Honorverse novel.

tlb wrote:

tlb wrote:What? Hornblower was Royal Navy, never Marines.

Weird Harold wrote:But Honor is a Colonel of Marines. For most it's purely ceremonial, but Honor is Honor.

cthia wrote:Pardon my bold.

Whaa!

True. But! . . .

Hornblower's exploits were many. They were also found on land. He was a natural on horseback. His swashbuckling description is well deserved. To compare and follow in his footsteps, I just thought Honor could take advantage of her Colonel of Marines title and do a little swashbuckling of her own. Down on planet.

Prompted by Weird Harold, I remembered that Hornblower had also been made a Colonel of Marines. In both cases this is symbolic of the sovereign's favor and intended to boost the salary of someone who has not made flag rank; but it is a symbolic position, not an actual appointment as a Marine. This is from chapter 3 of Field of Dishonor:

"And now, Dame Honor, it's your turn," the Queen said, and Honor straightened. "We'll take care of the formalities—including the award of a richly deserved thank you—later in the Blue Hall, but I've decided to appoint you to the rank of Colonel of Marines, as well."
Honor's eyes widened in surprise as great as Henke's. Appointment as a colonel of Marines was a way for the Crown to show special approval of a captain too junior for promotion to flag rank, and very few officers ever received the honor. It wouldn't change her actual authority in any way, but she would receive a colonel's salary in addition to her regular pay, and the appointment was an unequivocal indication of royal favor.

Honor has already swashbuckled on planet in Echoes of Honor and I think her armsmen would assist her husband in confining her to quarters if she tried to do something like that by choice.

I didn't think she actually did any swashbuckling down on planet yet, but I was prepared to give her credit anyway. But not for time spent in EoH, because she didn't actually do any swashbuckling there. She mostly strategized on planet.

But in HotQ, I'll give her a little credit while on Blackbird Base, although she had to be contained.