Honorverse ramblings and musings

cthia wrote:

wiki wrote:
One of Hades' prisoners turned out to be Admiral Amos Parnell, who finally made Caslet understand that his participation in the prisoners' breakout from Tepes prevented him from ever returning to Haven without being held as a traitor, and that in any event the People's Republic did not deserve the efforts and suffering of people like him, who ultimately had the freedom of conscience and choice to decide what to do with their own lives.

Why, oh why can't Pritchart, of all people, pardon certain officers? Certainly she understand their motivations—she had the same.

If she doesn't pardon them, then Haven, inevitably, are going to be forced to trust and work closely with traitors within the GA! How does that make sense? I'm sorry, but this dog just can't let that particular bone go.

Commodore Oakius wrote:
Yes, she could but consider the ramifcations if she did. The precedent that would be set. Its too dangerous to give a full pardon.
i agree that she could allow them to visit but...

And just like that, this dog can finally let that bone go. Even though I still feel that certain officers at least deserve pardon, I can now appreciate why it may not be a good idea. I don't know how I couldn't reason it out for myself, except chocking another up to my half-brainitis. I never considered the precedent it'd set and possible unintended wayward messages sent to potential traitors. Thanks Commodore. You've a political mind too eh? Unlike me!

Hi Jonathan_S,

To say McClellan was arrogant is like noticing the sky is blue, or that its sunny today; so obvious as why bother except it affected his relations.

McClellan also wrote his own press releases in his western Virginia campaign, which bore little resemblance to reality [MacArthur did the same with his reports after the Japanese invasion, which ticked Marshall off when he finely found out], praising his brilliant operations that got him the gig in the first place, then proceeded to demonstrate he wasn't as brilliant as he said he was, nor did often praising troops as being better than they were prove all that helpful when they met someone tougher or better led.

I strongly doubt anyone could have disabused McClellan's fears enough to redeem his reputation, particularly since he didn't like differing views regardless of rank, so even if he had stayed on active service he eventually would have become subordinate to someone like Grant, Sherman, Sheridan or Thomas who could and did; yet it would have been anathema to him to be so, NTM furious whenever he was obviously proved wrong, leading to the inevitable end of his career that route as well if he hadn't done himself in as he did.

L

Jonathan_S wrote:

pokermind wrote:Then there was Abraham Lincoln who got rid of general McClellan when asked about it Abe told this joke, "There was a man who had his horse put a foot in the stirrup the man said. 'If you are going to get own, I'm going to get off.'," then Abe said he was not getting off.

Poker.

Yep, although that was mostly for military reasons. If anything the domestic politics were pushing to keep McClellan in command, not bench him; which I believe was part of the reason Lincoln reinstated McClellan the first time (after Pope lost 2nd Bull Run)


It's a shame McClellan's ego wouldn't let him stay behind the lines as a trainer of troops (which he was, by accounts, quite good at). Letting the trained units be handed over to a more aggressive General.

Although I guess some of his faults could have been counteractive by a really good, and persuasive, intelligence officer. Someone who could evaporate the phantom armies McClellan was usually convinced were waiting in the wings to pounce should his army advance too far.

My niece is making her own stuffed treecat, and she says making it look realistic takes lots of planning because of the extra set of legs. Then she says, "It's interesting that most of the animals on Sphinx has six legs."

I didn't notice that!

In Mission of Honor, from the Web

When Eloise Pritchart is trying to decide what to do about a pair of troublesome members of her own delegation she starts to fantasize about having Honor strangle them, noting that Harrington could probably do it without breaking a sweat, and afterward she could just give her a presidential pardon. Then she realizes, hey, Honor has diplomatic immunity anyway!

This is quite hillarious, and could have gone in the 'things that made me chuckle thread,' but I wanted to discuss it.

I know it was meant to be funny, by RFC and Eloise (well maybe not so much by Eloise ). But if Honor would have murdered someone while on Haven, under the law they'd have had to let her go?

When exactly did Honor began to enjoy diplomatic immunity? Did she have it when Haven cooked up that ridiculous murder ploy? After all she had been conducting many diplomatic liaisons between Manticore and Grayson?

cthia wrote:In Mission of Honor, from the Web
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When exactly did Honor began to enjoy diplomatic immunity? Did she have it when Haven cooked up that ridiculous murder ploy? After all she had been conducting many diplomatic liaisons between Manticore and Grayson?

She had diplomatic immunity because she was acting as a diplomat at the time.

drothgery wrote:She had diplomatic immunity because she was acting as a diplomat at the time.

That was my take on it. It also helped that Eighth Fleet was sitting there at the hyper limit just in case something did go wrong.

cthia wrote:In Mission of Honor, from the Web

When Eloise Pritchart is trying to decide what to do about a pair of troublesome members of her own delegation she starts to fantasize about having Honor strangle them, noting that Harrington could probably do it without breaking a sweat, and afterward she could just give her a presidential pardon. Then she realizes, hey, Honor has diplomatic immunity anyway!

This is quite hillarious, and could have gone in the 'things that made me chuckle thread,' but I wanted to discuss it.

I know it was meant to be funny, by RFC and Eloise (well maybe not so much by Eloise ). But if Honor would have murdered someone while on Haven, under the law they'd have had to let her go?

When exactly did Honor began to enjoy diplomatic immunity? Did she have it when Haven cooked up that ridiculous murder ploy? After all she had been conducting many diplomatic liaisons between Manticore and Grayson?

Pretty sure that as a head of state in her own right (Harrington Steading), Honour enjoys diplomatic immunity everywhere. I know I came across references to this state in either WOH or AAC.

cthia wrote:
In Mission of Honor, from the Web

When Eloise Pritchart is trying to decide what to do about a pair of troublesome members of her own delegation she starts to fantasize about having Honor strangle them, noting that Harrington could probably do it without breaking a sweat, and afterward she could just give her a presidential pardon. Then she realizes, hey, Honor has diplomatic immunity anyway!

This is quite hillarious, and could have gone in the 'things that made me chuckle thread,' but I wanted to discuss it.

I know it was meant to be funny, by RFC and Eloise (well maybe not so much by Eloise ). But if Honor would have murdered someone while on Haven, under the law they'd have had to let her go?

When exactly did Honor began to enjoy diplomatic immunity? Did she have it when Haven cooked up that ridiculous murder ploy? After all she had been conducting many diplomatic liaisons between Manticore and Grayson?

WLBjork wrote:Pretty sure that as a head of state in her own right (Harrington Steading), Honour enjoys diplomatic immunity everywhere. I know I came across references to this state in either WOH or AAC.

Thanks for the info WLBjork. Albeit not for the excellent reason you just gave, I thought she had diplomatic immunity everywhere as well, which means she had it when Haven cooked up that murder charge for her. Since she was a diplomat, they couldn't just execute her? She was immune, lest proper channels are used.

I think it's time to upgrade Honor's finger. She only gets one shot. She has her entire arm to work with as far as circuitry. I'm thinking a high powered laser.

cthia wrote:I think it's time to upgrade Honor's finger. She only gets one shot. She has her entire arm to work with as far as circuitry. I'm thinking a high powered laser.

And on low power, she can use it to help her give tactical briefings...