Future Space Lords

The First Space Lord was a member of the Manticoran Admiralty and the senior uniformed officer of the Royal Manticoran Navy.

Mark Sarnow would certainly be capable and would presumably be out of the area of the naval decapitation strike. The other comparable remote area commander, Augustus Khumalo, could be considered too. He's shown plenty ability to back up subordinates making sweeping decisions while retaining authority, and the Talbott and Silesia commands will have acquainted both these officers better than plausible alternatives with high-level policy decision-making.

The Second Space Lord was one of the Lords of Admiralty who controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, responsible for handling operational and tactical planning. He or she was also the head of the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Bureau of Planning.

I'd be so very amused to see Anton Zilwicki tapped for this, but it's unlikely to happen. I don't think we see senior subordinates of the Second Space Lord often, and they'd be likely candidates and plausibly spared that decapitation event.

The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.

No idea. After Oyster Bay, I imagine many of the most senior and experienced candidates are already dead, so they may have to dig down for one here. I could see pulling in someone from the RHN or Beowulf's SDF here more easily than for a lot of other cases, assuming Grayson is equally hard-up for senior officers with relevant experience who could serve on loan. Shannon Foraker's Bolthole experience would serve the GA in good stead here, and it'd likely put her in a good position still to use her idea-hamster superpowers for Good.

The Fourth Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Weapons.
As such, he or she was responsible for the research and development of new systems for the Navy. (HH9)

Sonja Hemphill, slam-dunk, assuming she isn't caught in the strike too.

The Fifth Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty who controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy. The Fifth Space Lord was responsible for the Bureau of Personnel (BuPers for short), which handled recruitment, training, and personnel assignments for the Navy.

I would so much hate to be the person who would have to fill Admiral Cortez' shoes. No idea.

The Sixth Space Lord was a member of the Lords of he Admiralty who controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy. The Sixth Space Lord was responsible for the Bureau of Training (BuTrain for short), which handled the training and education of naval personnel in accordance with the Third Lord of Admiralty.

For narrative reasons, and maybe even seniority by now, we're even less likely to see her here than in the First or Second Lord's seat, but her academy experience and skill, and what happens to the efficiency of officers serving under her make Admiral Alexander-Harrington an awesome candidate here.

The Seventh Space Lord was the seventh most senior uniformed officer of the Royal Manticoran Navy, holding the offices of Surgeon General of the Star Kingdom of Manticore and head of the Bureau of Medicine.

Seconding (at least) Fritz Montoya for this one.

jchilds wrote:Cthia - given that HAMISH would be the First Space Lord that dies (currently), I doubt Honor would in any way let herself be shuffled off a flag deck until she had done something memorable (as in "people will tremble at their fate for a thousand years" memorable)to the people responsible if it happened. She can be a little determined on occasion, after all.

For Seventh Space Lord, the RMN could do worse than either Alfred Harrington (if they managed to recall him) or Fritz Montoya (if someone's feeling a little sadistic in a "good" way)

Point of order - Hamish isn't the First Space Lord, Sir Thomas Caparelli is. Hamish is First Lord of the Admiralty.

Dafmeister wrote:

jchilds wrote:
Cthia - given that HAMISH would be the First Space Lord that dies (currently), I doubt Honor would in any way let herself be shuffled off a flag deck until she had done something memorable (as in "people will tremble at their fate for a thousand years" memorable)to the people responsible if it happened. She can be a little determined on occasion, after all.

For Seventh Space Lord, the RMN could do worse than either Alfred Harrington (if they managed to recall him) or Fritz Montoya (if someone's feeling a little sadistic in a "good" way)

Point of order - Hamish isn't the First Space Lord, Sir Thomas Caparelli is. Hamish is First Lord of the Admiralty.

Thanks for pointing that out Dafmeister. I didn't make it clear, because I missed the distinction myself. Only the Space Lords (1-7) were accidentally taken out. Hamish lives. (But only because he was late to the meeting. He was playing footsies with Honor. All other Lords of Admiralty lived.) I'll make an edit in the opening post to reflect it.

JeffEngel wrote:

The First Space Lord was a member of the Manticoran Admiralty and the senior uniformed officer of the Royal Manticoran Navy.

Fine thinking Jeff. You should be a Lord of Admiralty.

Mark Sarnow would certainly be capable and would presumably be out of the area of the naval decapitation strike. The other comparable remote area commander, Augustus Khumalo, could be considered too. He's shown plenty ability to back up subordinates making sweeping decisions while retaining authority, and the Talbott and Silesia commands will have acquainted both these officers better than plausible alternatives with high-level policy decision-making.

Indeed, Sarnow and Khumalo are available for tapping. I totally overlooked Sarnow. However, I considered Khumalo. Just don't know where he'd fit. Textev didn't give me much on him to make a call. Although I agree he's probably Lord material. He's always been more of an administrator it seems.

The Second Space Lord was one of the Lords of Admiralty who controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, responsible for handling operational and tactical planning. He or she was also the head of the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Bureau of Planning.

I'd be so very amused to see Anton Zilwicki tapped for this, but it's unlikely to happen. I don't think we see senior subordinates of the Second Space Lord often, and they'd be likely candidates and plausibly spared that decapitation event.

So too would I. However unlikely. His accumulated skills would serve the Navy well here. IMO.

The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.

No idea. After Oyster Bay, I imagine many of the most senior and experienced candidates are already dead, so they may have to dig down for one here. I could see pulling in someone from the RHN or Beowulf's SDF here more easily than for a lot of other cases, assuming Grayson is equally hard-up for senior officers with relevant experience who could serve on loan. Shannon Foraker's Bolthole experience would serve the GA in good stead here, and it'd likely put her in a good position still to use her idea-hamster superpowers for Good.

The Fourth Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Weapons.
As such, he or she was responsible for the research and development of new systems for the Navy. (HH9)

Sonja Hemphill, slam-dunk, assuming she isn't caught in the strike too.

I think Sonja is already Fourth Space Lord. And was at the meeting, unfortunately.

The Fifth Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty who controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy. The Fifth Space Lord was responsible for the Bureau of Personnel (BuPers for short), which handled recruitment, training, and personnel assignments for the Navy.

I would so much hate to be the person who would have to fill Admiral Cortez' shoes. No idea.

Tall order for certain. Can anyone help?

The Sixth Space Lord was a member of the Lords of he Admiralty who controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy. The Sixth Space Lord was responsible for the Bureau of Training (BuTrain for short), which handled the training and education of naval personnel in accordance with the Third Lord of Admiralty.

For narrative reasons, and maybe even seniority by now, we're even less likely to see her here than in the First or Second Lord's seat, but her academy experience and skill, and what happens to the efficiency of officers serving under her make Admiral Alexander-Harrington an awesome candidate here.

Good point. But I almost feel as if Honor could fit in anywhere. It's Honor. She took on Grayson and quite frankly, I thought Honor was over her head as a Steadholder.

The Seventh Space Lord was the seventh most senior uniformed officer of the Royal Manticoran Navy, holding the offices of Surgeon General of the Star Kingdom of Manticore and head of the Bureau of Medicine.

Seconding (at least) Fritz Montoya for this one.

Fritz by a landslide.

Aside:
This Lords of Admiralty and Space Lords is confusing to me. My apologies. However, it is realistic, that at a time like this, amidst a catastrophy of such magnitude, that there'll be confusion aplenty.

How's that for realism?

cthia wrote:Thanks for pointing that out Dafmeister. I didn't make it clear, because I missed the distinction myself. Only the Space Lords (1-7) were accidentally taken out. Hamish lives. (But only because he was late to the meeting. He was playing footsies with Honor. All other Lords of Admiralty lived.) I'll make an edit in the opening post to reflect it.

Probably worth noting is that the political situation that forced Hamish into the First Lord of Admiralty job is no longer in place (Manticore's allies trust Manticore again and the war with Haven is over), so you could have Hamish take the First Space Lord job and bring in a civilian First Lord of Admiralty.

I think Sonja is already Fourth Space Lord. And was at the meeting, unfortunately.

Ouch. Well, she's likely to be working out of Bolthole for some time, so she may well survive most such hypothetical Meetings of Death despite the position. I suppose some of the fortunate Weyland survivors may represent likely BuShips and BuWeaps heads.

For narrative reasons, and maybe even seniority by now, we're even less likely to see her here than in the First or Second Lord's seat, but her academy experience and skill, and what happens to the efficiency of officers serving under her make Admiral Alexander-Harrington an awesome candidate here.

Good point. But I almost feel as if Honor could fit in anywhere. It's Honor. She took on Grayson and quite frankly, I thought Honor was over her head as a Steadholder.

Granted. But it's likely less of a step for her in some roles than others. First Lord, Sixth Lord - right up her alley. Second Lord - plausible. Others - mostly because, yeah, she's Honor.

The Third Space Lord was a member of the Lords of Admiralty that controlled the Royal Manticoran Navy, in charge of the Bureau of Ships.

Sir Craig Warner, CO Hephaestus, I nominate for Third Space Lord. Buships.

Warner was a knight of Manticore and held the rank of Vice Admiral of the Red in 1900 PD. He was in command of the space station HMSS Hephaestus, and slowed down the refit of HMS Warlock by orders of Admiral White Haven. (HH1)

He knows ships and proves to be a team player. Hell, for his part in thwarting Young - it's time to pay up.

This scenario, as I think about it more, is downright frightening. And wouldn't you know it, the MALign's biggest success would be unplanned. Wiping out all of the Space Lords in an accident would prompt a Detweiler gala!

I think several officers could fill the bill as a Space Lord. Honor and Truman for instance. Yet, they are needed to remain on ship. Pulling that kind of firepower off deck and putting them groundside would hurt the Navy's effectiveness. IMHO. The MALign was given a bonus of a wildcard on this one.

The lost of Patricia Givens as Second Space Lord is a serious hole in the command structure. A kink in the armor that the MALign would exploit like a tick-on-a-dawg!

And I'd really feel more comfortable with Honor remaining as CO of Home Fleet. I just don't know what could come across the Manty hyperwall. With a loss like that, the SLN could sniff blood. Right or wrong, never stopped 'em before.

Second Space Lord needs filling! Manticore cannot afford any lapses in intelligence!!!

cthia wrote:This scenario, as I think about it more, is downright frightening. And wouldn't you know it, the MALign's biggest success would be unplanned. Wiping out all of the Space Lords in an accident would prompt a Detweiler gala!

The lost of Patricia Givens as Second Space Lord is a serious hole in the command structure. A kink in the armor that the MALign would exploit like a tick-on-a-dawg!

Second Space Lord needs filling! Manticore cannot afford any lapses in intelligence!!!

Not all. Admiral Hemphill would be at Bolthole by the time this strike went in, so she survives. And yes 2SL is a major hole that needs filling and Anton Z. would be the man to fill it.

5th SL? Promote Captain Shaw (Admiral Cortez' EA). He knows the SEM Navy better than anybody now living and has worked in close proximity to "the magician" (LC) for years.

timmopussycat wrote:

cthia wrote:
This scenario, as I think about it more, is downright frightening. And wouldn't you know it, the MALign's biggest success would be unplanned. Wiping out all of the Space Lords in an accident would prompt a Detweiler gala!

The lost of Patricia Givens as Second Space Lord is a serious hole in the command structure. A kink in the armor that the MALign would exploit like a tick-on-a-dawg!

Second Space Lord needs filling! Manticore cannot afford any lapses in intelligence!!!

Not all. Admiral Hemphill would be at Bolthole by the time this strike went in, so she survives. And yes 2SL is a major hole that needs filling and Anton Z. would be the man to fill it.

5th SL? Promote Captain Shaw (Admiral Cortez' EA). He knows the SEM Navy better than anybody now living and has worked in close proximity to "the magician" (LC) for years.

Oops, I missed your post. But sorry Timmy, the scenario has all of the current Space Lords buying the farm. Let's assume that Hemphill was delayed because of the need to get so much of her affairs in order for an extended stay at Bolthole and the need to maintain OP Security. She was a day late and a credit short in departing for Bolthole.

But hey, the scenario allowed Hamish to live.