Protector's Own - Who pays?

i'm not sure i'm remembering what he said correctly, but: as this was discussed in regards to the early anthologies, over 15 years ago, Himself told us he didn't permit outright violations of canon, but otherwise left the writers free to craft their stories. however, he wasn't bound by anything they wrote, either. it's not canon unless and until he picks it up and uses it in a story himself.

so, in some cases, it's published because RFC thinks it's really fun, but "that's not how it happened"

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:I think that if a Contracted Story violates something
Important in his universe, then he requests a change.
BUT I think that if he can ignore a violation, then he
does ignore it, out of respect for his fellow writer.
snip

fallsfromtrees wrote:
Perhaps, but given that A Ship Named Francis was written by John Ringo. who has had a good working relationship with David on the Prince Roger books, I would be very surprised if there were any non-canon stuff in it.

And as evidence by the stories From the Highlands, Fanatic, and the entire Torch series, he is willing to scrap his existing time lines to accommodate a fellow author. Given this, I don't see him not asking an author to change something that was going to cause him grief down the road.

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:I don't see the Weber-Ringo working relationship as
so very good. Evidence: the lack of *new* sequels
(as opposed to "previously scheduled sequels")
to their collaborations & their shorts in each other's
universes, and complaints from both that their work
schedules won't mesh. My guess is that at least one of
them is trying to end their collaboration.

OTOH, Weber obviously is happy working with Flint.
Evidence: they have frequently scheduled new sequels to
their collaborations, and they frequently work in each
others' universes, despite scheduling problems.

But of course it is possible that these ideas are merely
what I wish to be true.

HTM

Perhaps. However, the copyright on Service of the Sword is April 2003, which means the stories were written in 2002. That's 12-13 years ago, and things change in that period. I might add that also in that anthology is the story Let's Go to Prague, by John Ringo. That's two stories in one anthology - which doesn't argue at a break down in communication between them at that time.

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:1 Neither is a diversion.

They are not similar.
The GSN and the PO are funded from the Military Budget.

You have TextEv to support that position? Because that's a pretty bald statement IMHO and the only TextEv I'm aware on the subject of comes from Ashes of Victory and House of Steel which say precisely the opposite!

2 Please see my "Hierarchy Of Data" argument in my
previous post in this thread.

You're entitled to come up with your hierarchies as you please, you're not entitled to expect everyone else to use them ... AFAICS until/unless House of Steel is contradicted by later works it's canon. (Obviously if it ended up more contradicted than not then I would look askance at the rest of it.)

As I said in my previous post in this thread,
"I have no problem with "Obligated Service."

Except it disproves your theory that the Protector's Own is a foreigners-only unit.

PalmerSperry wrote:

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:As I said in my previous post in this thread,
"I have no problem with "Obligated Service."

Except it disproves your theory that the Protector's Own is a foreigners-only unit.

Protector's Own started as foreigners-only unit (those people who escaped from Hades with Honor), but there was no textev ever that it was intended to stay that way. There was textev that Benjamin and Wesley were planning on adding SDs and other screening units to it.

While the return of the escapees from Hades was the impulse that led to establishment of the Protector's Own, we really have no evidence that it was ever intended as or for that matter ever implemented as "foreigners-only." My own vision is that it probably used Graysons from the very beginning if for no other reason than it would have been necessary to provide additional training for the newbies from Hades whose skills had deteriorated as a result of their incarceration. And as modern equipment became available to the Protector's own, it would have been even more necessary. At any rate, there is no text ev that it was ever intended to be exclusively foreigners-only.

Don

n7axw wrote:While the return of the escapees from Hades was the impulse that led to establishment of the Protector's Own, we really have no evidence that it was ever intended as or for that matter ever implemented as "foreigners-only." My own vision is that it probably used Graysons from the very beginning if for no other reason than it would have been necessary to provide additional training for the newbies from Hades whose skills had deteriorated as a result of their incarceration. And as modern equipment became available to the Protector's own, it would have been even more necessary. At any rate, there is no text ev that it was ever intended to be exclusively foreigners-only.

Don

IIRC the CO of Claire Lacroix was a Greentree and cousen to Capt Thomas Greetree.

Even if it does.
HTM

PalmerSperry wrote:at bottom.

Howard T. Map-addict wrote:

As I said in my previous post in this thread,
"I have no problem with "Obligated Service."

Except it disproves your theory that the Protector's Own is a foreigners-only unit.